OT: Very Touchy Subject...The Election Results Thus Far
Posted on: 11/06/2020 12:25 PM
I realize I'm treading on "dangerous" territory with the subject matter of the presidential election. It's such a huge issue for most everyone here who lives in the United States. With that having been said, the following is what I believe the final outcome will be.
It appears that former Vice President Biden will be the winner of the 2020 election. That is for now. However, it is my belief that he will not be president when all is said and done. The winner will actually be Donald Trump. It may take several months to iron it all out, but President Trump will be declared the ultimate winner by the Supreme Court. How can this be? Election fraud deluxe, and it will be exposed for the whole world to see. I'm so confident that I'm willing to bet my extremely rare maroon-colored America letterman jacket identical to the ones the former trio members are wearing ON THIS ABLUM COVER for anyone's "Half Century" box set that I have yet to purchase and most likely won't.
Re: OT: Very Touchy Subject...The Election Results Thus Far
Posted on: 11/09/2020 08:22 PM
Hi KoG,
I don't have the boxed set and if I ordered it immediately I am unlikely to receive it before Biden is declared the winner so unfortunately cannot take up your challenge.
I realise there is no point in trying to apply logic in this situation but I do have some questions for you.
Why is the Trump administration wasting funds and time in challenging the count only in states where Trump is behind, and where there is no evidence of voter fraud? Surely if there was widespread fraud ALL results would need to be challenged.
If there was widespread fraud, how does that explain the fact that Republicans picked up House seats and performed well in the Senate?
What do you think should be done with all the votes for the Republican candidate in North Dakota who was elected despite having died from coronavirus a month before the election?
What do you think about Benjamin Ginsberg's comments about the need for the Justice Department to remain apolitical?
I lived in the US for nine years. It has saddened me deeply to see the damage Trump and his cronies have done to your country, especially in their total disregard for the health of US citizens by completely mismanaging the coronavirus pandemic.
I am not sure if you are aware of the huge sigh of relief felt by the rest of the world in seeing the end of the Trump presidency, but trust me, it exists.
I know this is not a political blog, and I won't be adding to these remarks.
Re: OT: Very Touchy Subject...The Election Results Thus Far
Posted on: 11/10/2020 12:56 AM
Jude - I think I will answer the matter about the bet now, however.
No problem regarding not having the box set. I will still offer up my America letterman jacket to you with you not having to put up a single America item since you are the only person to respond! That's how confident I am that Vice President Biden will not be the president in 2021. Trump will be serving his second term instead. Truthfully, if someone had the box set and had accepted my offer, I really wouldn't have taken it from them if they had lost.
However, I am so confident that Trump will be the president in 2021, I will even include the following:
1) My "Hearts" album with the cover signed by Dewey, Gerry AND Dan!
P.S. I forgot. Plus a pink hat with a red, white and blue America logo patch on the front of it. If I had a pair of America pants, I'd include them, too, but I don't think such an item exists. Not that I know of, anyway. :)
Re: OT: Very Touchy Subject...The Election Results Thus Far
Posted on: 11/10/2020 12:51 PM
[Why is the Trump administration wasting funds and time in challenging the count only in states where Trump is behind, and where there is no evidence of voter fraud? Surely if there was widespread fraud ALL results would need to be challenged.]
I'm not sure if I'm understanding your question correctly, but I'll answer according to what I think you're asking. Why would Trump need to challenge the count in states where he isn't behind? That would be a waste of funds and time. As far as "no evidence of voter fraud," that's according to whom? The fake news media as Trump puts it? Trump's administration is saying they have the proof of voter fraud in numerous states. They wouldn't be pursing this if they didn't believe they have the proof, and the whole world will see the proof when the Supreme Court agrees to look at it and surely they will because I believe the evidence is there. Thus far, about 70 people have come forward to sign sworn affidavits stating they witnessed voter fraud. Some Republican poll watchers are alleging intimidation by the opposing party's election workers. Let us not forget the postal worker who has come forward as a whistleblower regarding his supervisor telling him and other workers to backdate submitted ballots that came in after the deadline. So, let's just be patient and let it all play out. As I mentioned in my earlier posting, this will probably drag out for several months. Perhaps, it will go all the way until a day or two before the inauguration which is the length of time I believe it may take.
[If there was widespread fraud, how does that explain the fact that Republicans picked up House seats and performed well in the Senate?]
There are allegations of fraud in some of the other races as well. Just because some Republicans won their race, it doesn't mean there wasn't fraud in Trump's election race. It's alleged that numerous ballots had only one vote marked all them, and they were marked as voting for Biden.
[What do you think should be done with all the votes for the Republican candidate in North Dakota who was elected despite having died from coronavirus a month before the election?]
The deceased candidate's seat should be filled by his district's Republican Party. It should be treated as if he were in office and had retired or had been removed for some reason. His seat still belongs to his party. That is how it is done in my state which is the State of New Mexico.
[What do you think about Benjamin Ginsberg's comments about the need for the Justice Department to remain apolitical?]
I'm not familiar with what all Ginsburg said, but just on what you stated, I disagree with him. In my opinion, the DOJ should absolutely be involved in something as important and huge as the presidential election.
[I lived in the US for nine years. It has saddened me deeply to see the damage Trump and his cronies have done to your country, especially in their total disregard for the health of US citizens by completely mismanaging the coronavirus pandemic.]
Jude, that is your opinion and you are absolutely entitled to it. Millions of people (Trump supporters such as myself) disagree with your opinion. It's my understanding that a vaccine will be available by the end of the year. As I'm sure you know, New York Governor Cuomo sent numerous elderly Corona patients back to their nursing homes instead of to the medical ship that Trump provided to the governor. Trump had manufacturing companies make many respirators and ventilators. He had car manufacturing companies convert their machinery to do that.
[I am not sure if you are aware of the huge sigh of relief felt by the rest of the world in seeing the end of the Trump presidency, but trust me, it exists.]
It doesn't concern me what other countries think of President Trump. Millions of his supporters here in the United States think he has done an incredible job in his first four years. You notice that I said "first four years". He will have a second term, and it will begin in January of 2021.
[I know this is not a political blog, and I won't be adding to these remarks.]
This may not be a political blog, but since very little activity occurs here these days, I don't see any problems posting here. It's just one subject matter on one thread. If fellow fans have an issue with it, so be it.
And, one other thing. So we are to believe that VP Biden won the election when he had only a handful of supporters attending his rallies compared to President Trump's rallies? Trump had so many supporters at his rallies that many, many attendees had to be turned away. Things don't add up, and Trump and his administration aren't going to let Vice President Biden and his team get away with it. I believe many people will be going to prison after all is said and done.
Edited by King_of_Glass on 11/10/2020 01:37 PM
Re: OT: Very Touchy Subject...The Election Results Thus Far
Posted on: 11/19/2020 01:19 AM
Jude - Below is a good summation of the fraud that the Trump team is alleging as you had serious doubt of its occurrence. I do realize it's being presented by President Trump's personal attorney Rudy Giuliani.
To again address your question as follows: "If there was widespread fraud, how does that explain the fact that Republicans picked up House seats and performed well in the Senate?"
Answer: I take the term "widespread fraud" to mean that fraud occurred in a number of states. As I understand it, thousands (in some cases even hundreds of thousands) of ballots were fraudulently filled out in a rush. They only had time to fill out the presidential voting portion of the ballots while leaving the down ballot portion totally blank.
I like to view some videos (such as this one) with the CLOSED CAPTION option enabled.
If you don't feel that Giuliani is credible then we'll just wait and see how everything plays out in the next month or two. As I mentioned in my earlier posting, it may run all the way until January 18th.
Edited by King_of_Glass on 11/19/2020 01:32 AM
Re: OT: Very Touchy Subject...The Election Results Thus Far
Posted on: 11/19/2020 11:16 PM
Hi KoG,
Apologies to the owners of this blog who may not want it to include political content.
So, I’ll call it early…for Biden 😊
There is no need for you to package up all the America memorabilia you have offered to send to me. I would never want you to sacrifice it.
Clearly Trump’s strategy is directed at the 2024 campaign. He wants his supporters to believe the 2020 election was stolen from him. He is not interested in what he can do for his country. He only cares for himself. His actions should be taken very seriously because they are a threat to democracy. He wants to disenfranchise thousands of voters, most of them in Black communities.
If Trump wanted to be a leader, why is he not out there, leading?
Your statement about more people attending Trump rallies is correct but does not indicate wider support for him nationally. Biden held rallies where attendance was deliberately limited because of the risk of contracting coronavirus. I think this is far more responsible than encouraging thousands of people to attend rallies where they are not wearing masks and not social distancing. Trump’s disregard for the health of his supporters and staff is disgraceful. When he became ill with coronavirus, he was lucky that he received treatment that is simply not available to any other US citizen. Look at the current infection and death statistics to see how irresponsible this attitude is.
Then there’s Rudy Giuliani and his wild QAnon conspiracies. I watched the video you linked. And the subsequent press conference where he and others repeated the bizarre claims he made in the video. Food trucks! No evidence provided because there isn’t any. That’s where the fraud really is. I cannot understand the motivations of these people. What a waste of time. Dominion is an American company that has no connection to Venezuela. Chavez is long dead. Embarrassing.
I read some of the ‘evidence’ of voter fraud. One I particularly liked was from a witness who noticed that votes from the military that she/he saw counted were heavily for Biden. This apparently was suspicious (fraudulent?) because this person believed that the military usually votes conservative. The fact that Trump calls soldiers who died fighting for his country ‘losers’ may have had something to do with this trend to Biden.
The video of Biden that you linked was a few seconds taken from a longer statement where he was talking about preventing voter suppression (classic cherry picking). He clearly misspoke. If you watch the entire statement you will see this. Biden has been ridiculed for his speech impediment (including by Trump himself). What message does that send to all people with disabilities? That they are open to ridicule?
There are many resources available that go into detailed debunking of misinformation and conspiracy theories. Problem is that repetition of a falsehood can morph it into a ‘fact’. It’s a well-known rhetorical tactic. Unfortunately, the internet has enabled peddlers of misinformation to flourish and convince people that what they say is true. It is the path to fascism.
Voltaire: “Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities”
Hope the Biden years are good for you and all Americans.
Re: OT: Very Touchy Subject...The Election Results Thus Far
Posted on: 11/20/2020 05:03 AM
Hi Jude - I enjoyed reading your response. Thank you for being so kind in not wanting to take my America items from me. I appreciate that. However, that would not be happening anyway because of the upcoming outcome. It's about 3:00 AM here at the moment so I should be heading to bed, but I just wanted to say a few words here before I do.
I also appreciate your firm stance of support of VP Biden. I truly enjoy a robust debate especially one that is as civil as you have been with me. By the way, I don't think Rich Campbell minds us discussing this matter here. I surely hope not, anyway. My guess is he probably would side with you on this matter. Dewey and Gerry probably would as well. I must say you and I could not be any more diametrically opposed in our political belief as you well know. I stand firm in my belief that President Trump will be the victor of this presidential election. I will go so far as to say Vice President Joe Biden will be going to prison as well as many others.
I wholeheartedly agree with you regarding the need for mask wearing. I think Trump was highly mistaken in his neglect of not doing so, and he was had to pay the consequence. I wear a mask every time I'm out in the public. It's foolish not to!
If you are able to post a link to the entire video of VP Biden discussing the preventing of voter suppression, I'd greatly appreciate it.
It won't be but a few more months at the most when we all will see what the truth really is and whether you or I am correct. I said perhaps by January 18. I believe by that time the evidence of an attempted theft of a presidential election will surface, and it will stun the whole world. The question is will the truth be believed?
I'll leave you and everyone else here a very interesting video that sums up exactly what I believe will occur:
Re: OT: Very Touchy Subject...The Election Results Thus Far
Posted on: 11/20/2020 03:18 PM
Jude - It seems that the video I linked in my previous message didn't start from the beginning but started well past the middle. I just wanted to mention that as it's very important to view it from the very start.
A couple of questions if I may. I hope it's not too personal - my asking you the following:
1) Do you have any particular religion belief? I'm asking only because I believe it's important to what I hope to discuss with you further on this presidential election topic.
2) If you are a believer in God, do you think it matters to Him which of the two presidential candidates leads America for the next four years?
3) Do you believe in the existence of modern day prophets? Some call them "ministers of prophecy" or "vessels" through whom God gives messages so they may be forwarded to His believers. As for myself, I believe in the existence of God and Jesus as the Messiah.
Re: OT: Very Touchy Subject...The Election Results Thus Far
Posted on: 11/21/2020 03:01 AM
Hi KoG,
I listened to the podcast that you linked and there is nothing new to me there. It’s a repeat of the Giuliani/QAnon unproven and bizarre claims.
Re the Biden video, there are many places to go to read about what Biden said, but here’s the link to the article in The Washington Post where they put his interview side by side with the edited video: https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/politics/no-biden-did-not-brag-about-committing-voter-fraud/2020/11/04/dadb8616-3718-45a1-baeb-7c2fa50c7aa7_video.html
And here’s the link to the complete interview, with transcript: https://crooked.com/podcast/joe-biden-pod-save-america-interview/
And sorry, you'll need to copy and paste the links. I have long forgotten how to rename and link them.
And regarding your question about my beliefs, I do not believe in any god.
Re: OT: Very Touchy Subject...The Election Results Thus Far
Posted on: 11/22/2020 12:28 AM
Hello again, Jude!
Thank you for the link to the video where VP Biden is talking about the fraud organization that the Democratic party has in place. Thanks to your direction, I do see that he merely misspoke. He should have said something more like, "fraud PREVENTION organization".
Thank you very much for sharing with me/us your religious belief/unbelief. Truly, I was hoping you were a believer in God and Jesus ... most importantly for salvation purposes, of course, but for the lesser reason ... so it would better help you to understand the three YouTube videos I am posting here. It is my hope that you and others here will watch them.
As you well know from my postings on this election results subject, I have said Trump will be the ultimate victor. I have also said it will require a decision by the Supreme Court and that it may take up to the day of January 18. Plus, I have stated that it will be determined that a fraud has indeed been perpetrated upon the American people.
Below are just three of many different YouTube videos stating why the election is not over. These three videos are of prophecy ministers who are relaying to God's believers His will for a particular election outcome. Even among Christians today, prophecy ministers (also known as prophets or vessels) are believed to be a thing of the past. I, however, believe in their existence today.
The three videos are about an hour each. My suggestion for you or anyone else here is to view all three in their entirety. By viewing them, you will see what is prophesied to be the final outcome of the election as well as why. I understand you may have no desire to view any of them. If that is the case, that's fine. When the Supreme Court makes its decision for Trump, you perhaps will go back to view the videos at that time. It is my hope that they will be a testament to you and others here that God does exist, and He cares about the political outcome of this election. And, very importantly, the viewer will see why God will not permit the Democratic Party to prevail as it will drive America towards socialism and the antichrist system. God has other plans for America. He also wants to expose the deep, deep corruption that exists in Washington. What attorney L. Lin Wood said in his YouTube video will come to pass and that includes the imprisonment of many evil politicians and office holders in the U.S. government.
Please note the date of each video. It helps to know when they were made in order to verify their validity from a prophetic standpoint:
Re: OT: Very Touchy Subject...The Election Results Thus Far
Posted on: 12/09/2020 11:09 PM
Regarding the presidential election, Pastor Hank Kunneman says via God's word, the following:
1) December will be a month to remember!
2) January will be a month of justice.
3) March will be a month of celebration.
I wonder what happens in February? Will it be the month when they start arresting the people who have perpetrated the attempted theft of the election and that's why March will be a month of celebration? Hmm?
Re: OT: Very Touchy Subject...The Election Results Thus Far
Posted on: 12/10/2020 07:38 AM
I think Trump actually won the election, but voter fraud in the cities of key swing states swung the election to Bidden. While Trump's campaign certainly has strong evidence of voter fraud in those areas, I am not optimistic that the Supreme Court will step in and stop the theft of this election.
There are 3 partisan Democrats on the Court that will vote to steal the election. Chief Justice Roberts has shown himself to be someone who will cave on tough political issues, so he goes into court being down 0-4 to start. That means he has to convince all 5 of the remaining justices, beyond a reasonable doubt that fraud occurred (which I think it the easy part given the evidence he has) AND that it swung the election in each of those states (the hard part). I just don't see it happening.
I expect the court to take the coward's way out and dismiss the case on a technicality, like standing, rather than actually decide the case on its merits.
Re: OT: Very Touchy Subject...The Election Results Thus Far
Posted on: 12/10/2020 11:37 PM
I’m a scientist and I love evidence. Where is the evidence that Trump won? He didn’t and is a sore loser. Recounts did not change the results. What about the states where Trump won? How do you know there was no voter fraud to achieve those outcomes? How about they look at Texas?
The election was run smoothly and there was a decisive outcome.
Trump needs to face reality, but he can’t because he can’t tolerate losing. Getting people to believe his lies is his strategy. In doing so he shows contempt for his supporters. He knows they feel left out of the 'system' and he manipulates them.
The only fraud in this whole ridiculous theatre is the fraud perpetrated on the American people by Trump and his cronies. There are conspiracy theories built on conspiracy theories that get more bizarre as time goes on.
There has been absolutely zero evidence of fraud presented in any of the court cases filed by Trump’s supporters. Hearsay does not hold up in a court of law. Re the current last-ditch effort that they are hoping will be considered by the US Supreme Court, they need to realise that the Constitution does not allow states to interfere in elections in other states. It’s called Federalism.
Ted Cruz called Trump a pathological liar and a narcissist and is now arguing his case. Where’s Cruz’s integrity? Thankfully there are some Republicans that have the moral courage to stand up to Trump.
This whole shemozzle is designed to line Trump’s pockets so he can run in 2024. $200 million plus so far. Disgraceful. It is his duty to look after American citizens in a time of great need, but he focusses on nothing but himself and offers no leadership. He does not deserve to be president.
Thankfully this will be over soon, and Trump will disappear. Seems he’d rather play golf anyway.
Re: OT: Very Touchy Subject...The Election Results Thus Far
Posted on: 12/11/2020 12:22 PM
There is plenty of evidence of voter fraud, it is just being ignored by most of the media which is in the tank for Democrats. There is far more evidence of voter fraud in the 2020 election than there ever was of Trump Russian collusion in the 2016 election. As I said, proving beyond a reasonable doubt in court that fraud changed the results of the election results is almost an impossible task.
2 I await the results of the FBI investigation.
Meanwhile, maybe this will satisfy those who doubt the integrity of the election. Or maybe they’ll say it’s a stunt… https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2020/12/09/benson-conduct-statewide-audits-plus-ones-wayne-antrim-counties/3863350001/
I’m no fan of Zuckerberg but there’s this https://www.npr.org/2020/12/08/943242106/how-private-money-from-facebooks-ceo-saved-the-2020-election
3 Two instances of dead people ‘voting’ will not sway an election. Were the votes cast for Trump or Biden? Obviously, it’s important to investigate cases thoroughly. In the second case, why did the daughter send in her father’s vote and not vote herself? Is this a crime? Very strange.
Seems to me that clerical errors are being identified as ‘fraud’. They happen in every state in every election. If the integrity of an election is important, why not investigate all state results with equal rigour? Texas, Florida, California, New York?
Re: OT: Very Touchy Subject...The Election Results Thus Far
Posted on: 12/12/2020 01:29 PM
Jude and Mark,
I've really enjoyed the friendly discussion thus far about voter fraud between the two of you (or alleged according to Jude and many others). Interesting, too, is your belief, Mark, that there are numerous cases of fraud as I do believe. Yet, Jude, you believe there is not enough to make any difference. From my experience in discussing the topic on Facebook with a number of friends and their friends, each side has their points and counterpoints. I believe we all will just have to wait and see what unfurls in the upcoming months all the way up to January 20th. Actually, several of the ministers have said the "breakthrough" will occur on January 18th.
God's modern day prophecy ministers still hold fast in believing Trump will be the president in 2021, and I wholeheartedly still believe so with all of my being. Some of the ministers have said God is not concerned about the deadlines that man has set concerning this election, and that He has it totally in control. Also, Trump supporters are not to worry for justice will prevail. The true battle of this election is about preserving the soul of America as a nation. And, with Trump as president for the next four years, God's plan for a spiritual harvest can occur. If the Biden administration were to be in power that would not happen. Conversely, according to God through his prophecy ministers, the opposite would occur because of the leanings toward socialism and eventually leading to the antichrist system. That will happen in the future but not at this time. This election is actually between God and Satan thus between good and evil. Believers in God know how that will turn out! God will continue to use President Trump to achieve His goals.
This is concerning the recent Supreme Court decision of denial. Trump supporters are not to be concerned about the recent ruling as there are many other avenues to follow. In the end, it will be determined by the Supreme Court that Trump was denied victory due to election fraud. I like to call it "election crime" instead as that is what it truly is, and numerous individuals will be going to prison and not just those involved in the United States but from other parts of the world as well. Trump's legal team still has plenty of evidence via the Dominion voting machines.
It is my understanding based on what one of the prophecy ministers has said, the ultimate Supreme Court decision will end up 5-4. It appears that Chief Justice John Roberts will again side with the liberal justices. One of the ministers has said Chief Justice Roberts is compromised and that is the reason he has been siding with the Democrat justices in recent cases. It is believed the Chief Justice has flown on Jeffrey Epstein's airplane a few times, and he is being "leaned on" because of it. Also, he will be removed due to the scandal, and he will be replaced by President Trump during Trump's second term.
Let us sit tight and watch what happens as it surely will be interesting to see!
Re: OT: Very Touchy Subject...The Election Results Thus Far
Posted on: 12/14/2020 04:00 AM
Thanks Jude!
I believe extremely very little reported by a lot of the media these days. I do believe the video does show the counting of ballots and submitting fake ones when Republican poll watchers were absent. Whichever the case, I still believe what the modern day prophecy ministers are reporting from God. As a matter of fact, one of them recently said God has revealed to him the days from December 20 through the 28th will have numerous reports surrounding the election fraud. I can't remember exactly, but it may be about which men or groups from which countries were involved in the fraud or who all were being paid off. It is my understanding it involves many different countries such as Venezuela, China, even Iran and perhaps Turkey to name a few. Plus, the Georgia governor and the Georgia Secret of State have received payments from China or should I say their families have in an effort to hide the payments according to one of the ministers, and this is why the two men have not been willing to assist Trump's legal team. Also, God is going to expose the mainstream media and shatter them to pieces for their hand in reporting false news and for hiding true information. Also, after the exposure of their crime, the Democrat Party will be torn apart for many years. The Republican Party will also suffer. I'm wondering if so because of the ones who have not been in support of President Trump and may have been aiding the Democrats in their attempts to oust President Trump.
Another one of the ministers said God has revealed He is not concerned about man's deadlines surrounding the election. I'm wondering if the inauguration date of January 20th will be changed or maybe the deadline dates pertaining to the electoral college certification/voting will be affected. In short time, we shall see.
Lastly for this posting, my Facebook friends who are Biden supporters and strong Trump haters think I have a mental disorder believing prophecy ministers. People reading this are probably laughing in agreement as I suspect you may be as well. I'm not bothered by it in the least. As I have told my older Trump-hating brother, we shall see just who will be getting the last laugh between the two of us. I know God's messages to the ministers are real and will be proven to be true.
Edited by King_of_Glass on 12/14/2020 04:02 AM
Re: OT: Very Touchy Subject...The Election Results Thus Far
Posted on: 12/14/2020 06:13 AM
Hi KoG,
I am not laughing at you, nor do I think you have a mental disorder. You have strong beliefs which I disagree with, that’s all.
I am interested in the origins and psychology of religion and think that strong beliefs can lead to people discarding their ability to think critically. It's a choice. I know people who are highly skilled critical thinkers but for some reason are unable to apply those skills to their religious beliefs. Very odd, in my opinion.
And, I am a bit concerned about what happens when all these prophesies surrounding the US election do not come to fruition and how those who believe them will be affected. Are the dates and the details of the actors revised? Just something I wonder about.
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Posted on: 12/14/2020 12:42 PM
Greetings Jude - What happens if the prophecies do not come to pass, you asked?
Will I change the dates? No, I won't. I'll have to admit all of the prophecy ministers were wrong, and I was foolish to have believed them. Plus, I will be highly embarrassed for having posted what I have for everyone to read.
I would like to know what you will think if they do come to pass. Will you say it's all just very coincidental or, perhaps, God really does exist?
Re: OT: Very Touchy Subject...The Election Results Thus Far
Posted on: 12/19/2020 04:01 PM
Johnny,
If Trump is inaugurated on January 20, 2021, I will send you my Half Century box set.
If Biden is inaugurated on January 20, 2021, I will be happy to receive your America letter jacket and belt buckle.
Long live America,
Mo
Re: OT: Very Touchy Subject...The Election Results Thus Far
Posted on: 12/19/2020 09:53 PM
Mo - Welcome back to the blog. I have wondered about you. The first thing I saw when I logged on to the site here was your posting about the box set and was hoping you saw this subject.
I can't accept your offer when I win although I truly appreciate it. I sincerely do. I'm sure you noticed I said "when" and not "if". A person has to be confident, you know. It wouldn't be right for me to benefit from the messages given by God's prophecy ministers. I will, however, honor my part if I should lose. Pertaining to the date of January 20th, just in case it gets postponed for some unknown reason, let's just agree on whether it will be Biden or Trump who will be president if that's okay with you. It's really the same bet.
Re: OT: Very Touchy Subject...The Election Results Thus Far
Posted on: 12/20/2020 01:25 AM
Since today is the 20th, I just want to report what one of the prophecy ministers said last week which is:
Starting on December 20th, wave upon wave of information pertaining to corruption and scandals will start pouring out on a daily basis and all the way up through the 28th of this month. So, let's just watch and see what comes forth.
Also, December reportedly will be a month to remember; January will be a month of justice; and March will be a month of celebration. No mention was made of February. I'm wondering if it may be a month of arrests!
Re: OT: Very Touchy Subject...The Election Results Thus Far
Posted on: 12/26/2020 12:14 AM
Mo - If Trump is the president on January 20, 2021 and a "breakthrough" occurs on January 18th for Trump concerning his and his legal team's attempts to prove election fraud (as that is the date several of the prophecy ministers are saying it will occur), what do you believe your thoughts will be in regards to the existence of God?
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Posted on: 12/26/2020 11:03 PM
KoG, have you actually read any of the documents in the Wikileaks dump? If you haven't, maybe you should.
And maybe read this (assuming this fact check is correct 😊)... https://www.opindia.com/2020/12/fact-check-has-wikileaks-really-just-dumped-all-their-files-online/
One useful thing Trump could do would be to pardon Julian Assange, not that Assange has been convicted of a crime. Instead Trump chooses to pardon real criminals. Why?
BTW, you ask if I will reconsider my beliefs if these prophesies are accurate. When the prophesies don't pan out as your modern prophecy ministers say they will, will you no longer believe in your god? Or will these ministers claim they were misled by evil forces so that lets them and their followers off the hook? What strategies do they have for backing away when they are wrong? Or is everything they say so vague they can't be wrong? Just curious.
And it will interesting to see the lawsuits filed by Dominion and others for defamation.
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Posted on: 12/27/2020 12:14 AM
Greetings Jude,
That dump was rather boring! So, the dump has been around for awhile based on your link. A friend from Facebook forwarded it to me, and I posted it here before checking them out thoroughly. I also wish Assange would be pardoned as you said.
Respectfully, Jude, you never answered my question regarding if the prophecy ministers are correct about VP Biden not becoming the president, will you reconsider your unbelief in God? You go first since I asked first then I'll answer your questions.
Re: OT: Very Touchy Subject...The Election Results Thus Far
Posted on: 12/29/2020 10:34 PM
Hi KoG,
Can you give me a detailed list of all the original prophesies, including those for which the date has passed? I have no other way of knowing if any of them come true. And I don't have time to watch more videos, so a list would be perfect.
Also, in answer to your question, I routinely evaluate my philosophical position on a variety of issues including my views on the existence of supernatural beings. Clearly, I would be interested if any prophesies come true, but that would not be enough to convince me to change my opinion. It would be a tiny event.
If any prophesies do come true, I would like to see detailed evidence. I would need to see events that exactly match prophesies. I would need to be sure that no inside information was available to the prophets prior to making their predictions, e.g., privileged access to pending legal cases. I would also need to be reassured that the prophets have no connections to Russia, Ukraine or Saudi Arabia.
I still don’t understand why your god is so interested in the outcome of the US Presidential election. Congress and Senate don’t seem to matter so much. I’ve never seen equivalent interest from a supernatural being in Australian, New Zealand, or UK elections. Maybe I missed it.
Re: OT: Very Touchy Subject...The Election Results Thus Far
Posted on: 12/30/2020 02:32 PM
Hi Jude,
Regarding past prophecies, would they really make any difference in whether you believed in God? As you said, they wouldn't be enough to change your mind and would be a "tiny event" to you. I appreciate your letting me know and your being frank about it. Knowing that, I'm not going to bother in providing you past prophecies and dates. There's a huge outcome to a prophecy coming just next month, and even that you said will be a small event to you.
You asked: "When the prophesies don't pan out as your modern prophecy ministers say they will, will you no longer believe in your god?"
I distinctly noticed you said "when" and not "if" which indicates to me you don't believe there's much if any possibility of the election outcome turning in favor of Trump. You and many, many others believe the same. It will, however, be in his favor, and we have only three weeks or so until we all see it come to pass. If by chance it doesn't, it absolutely does not mean God does not exist. It will only mean all the prophecy ministers are wrong. However, as you well know, I believe that will not be the case.
You asked: "Or will these ministers claim they were misled by evil forces so that lets them and their followers off the hook? What strategies do they have for backing away when they are wrong?"
Again, I noticed you said "when they are wrong" and not "if". They will be correct in their prophecy.
You also asked: "Or is everything they say so vague they can't be wrong? Just curious."
I don't believe prophesying Trump as the victor instead of Biden is being the slightest bit vague. It's quite to the contrary. They aren't saying Trump has a good chance of being president. They are all saying Trump will be the president.
You commented: "I still don’t understand why your god is so interested in the outcome of the US Presidential election. Congress and Senate don’t seem to matter so much."
God is interested in every event that occurs. He is especially interested and concerned in everything that affects each one of us on a personal level. Scripture says He even knows the number of hairs on each person's head and even knows when a single sparrow falls to the ground. Below are a few quotations from the Bible stating His care:
Romans 8:38-39 "For I am sure that neither death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers, nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord."
1 Peter 5:7 "Casting all your anxieties on Him, because He cares for you."
John 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that He gave his only Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life."
You said: "I still don’t understand why your god is so interested in the outcome of the US Presidential election."
I said here on 12/12 the following: "The true battle of this election is about preserving the soul of America as a nation. And, with Trump as president for the next four years, God's plan for a spiritual harvest can occur. If the Biden administration were to be in power that would not happen. Conversely, according to God through his prophecy ministers, the opposite would occur because of the leanings toward socialism and eventually leading to the antichrist system. That will happen in the future but not at this time. This election is actually between God and Satan thus between good and evil. Believers in God know how that will turn out! God will continue to use President Trump to achieve His goals."
You said: "Congress and Senate don’t seem to matter so much."
I'm sure you meant the House and Senate as Congress is the House of Representatives and the Senate. I believe God is also concerned about Congress. We shall see what occurs concerning Congress when the entire election fraud is exposed. I believe it will affect not only who the rightful president will be but who the rightful Congress members will be as well.
Lastly, you said: "I’ve never seen equivalent interest from a supernatural being in Australian, New Zealand, or UK elections. Maybe I missed it."
Have we ever seen such interest in any U.S. presidential election previously? I believe the reason is because the future of America is dependent on this year's election outcome. If the Biden administration were to be in control, America will be changed to an unrecognizable country. We would eventually become a socialist country. That is not what God wants for America. And, by the way, I want to point out that God is not overriding the will of the American people in their choice of president. God knows crime was committed. He knows the true winner was Trump. God is not going to allow this election farce to result in VP Biden becoming the fraudulent president. Let us just wait and see what He does. We have only about three more weeks at the most.
There's one other matter I'd like to mention. I thought it was more than one man of God who stated the Supreme Court would be deciding the election outcome. After recently hearing a couple of the prophecy ministers state they don't know exactly how God will move His hand to expose the fraud but only that He will, it had me a bit confused. It had me to think hard about which minister(s) mentioned the Supreme Court. I've come to the conclusion that it was only Mark Taylor who mentioned the Court, but I'm not sure if he was stating it was only his opinion or whether it was from God. I've been trying to locate which YouTube video it was where he mentioned it. I haven't had any success in locating it up to now although I will continue to try.
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Posted on: 01/01/2021 12:37 PM
Johnny, all that god nonsense aside, do you honestly think "America will be changed to an unrecognizable country. We would eventually become a socialist country" under Biden?
Do you realize the monumental chain of events that would have to occur for that to happen?
To begin with, you'd need a president that has a Socialist agenda. Biden is far from that. Despite what your media is telling you, Biden is not and will never be accused of being a Socialist. In fact, during one of the debates, when Trump tried to imply he was a Socialist by trying to link him to Bernie Sanders, Biden responded with, "I beat Bernie Sanders." It was about as clear as he could have been at distancing himself from and denouncing Socialism. Never once in his long history in the Senate or his eight years as a Vice President did Biden promote or support any legislation that could be remotely considered Socialist. During the campaign, for instance, he was adamantly opposed to defunding the police. This is just more of the fear that that radical right-wing media is pumping out to keep its listeners. But it's not true.
Assuming, however, Biden was a raging Socialist, then you'd need a Congress, both houses, that is also Socialist, and collectively passes Socialist agendas and laws. Do you know how virtually impossible that would be?
But, if we continue with this fear-mongering Democrats=Socialists agenda the radical right media is perpetuating, then you'd need a Supreme Court to uphold all those Socialist laws. Have you seen the makeup of the Supreme Court?
The checks and balances of the Constitution were created to prevent just this sort of thing from ever happening. That's the genius and the beauty of the document.
Oh, and the biggest trick of all. You'd need an electorate that would vote in office, or keep in office, politicians that promote a Socialist agenda.
The only way the United States becomes a Socialist nation is if the people will it to be. And then, it would last only as long as the next election.
Don't confuse human rights with Socialism. Don't confuse climate change with Socialism. Don't confuse civil rights with Socialism.
(By the way, other than in 2016 and 2020, I have mostly voted Republican.)
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Posted on: 01/01/2021 02:50 PM
Kevin - I enjoyed reading what you posted. It's sad, however, that you labeled the things I mentioned about God and this presidential election as "god nonsense" because it's going to be God who will see to it that this "President-Elect Joe Biden" farce will never be
"President Joe Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris". Therefore, it's actually a moot point concerning whether Biden would support socialism.
If you are so confident in Biden, let's make a wager whether he'll even be president. If you're willing, let's wager anywhere between $100 up to $1,000. If I win, I plan to donate it to charity. If you win, you can do with the money as you please. I would prefer a bet towards the greater amount rather than to the lesser.
Just to address one thing about how Biden would accomplish a socialist agenda, there's a presidential power as I'm sure you're aware known as an executive order. But, as I say, it's all going to be a moot point. Let me know if you're willing to accept my challenge and, if so, in what amount? It's your opportunity to enrich yourself up to $1,000!
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Posted on: 01/01/2021 10:35 PM
KoG,
What is your definition of socialism? And communism? Do you think they are the same?
Do you think the US military is a socialist institution?
You may be interested to know that research has shown that the happiest people in the world live in countries with social democratic governments. Capitalism and socialism exist side by side for the benefit of all citizens (and hopefully the planet). Also, data shows that the US ranks lower on economic freedom than these countries.
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Posted on: 01/02/2021 03:23 AM
As I told Kevin, Jude, it's all a moot point. Trump will be president for another four years as you and everyone here will see. Biden will either be going to prison or he will end his own life. Hopefully, the former for his sake. I'm just waiting to hear back from Kevin if he's good with a $2,500 wager. Time to put up or shush up as they say.
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Posted on: 01/02/2021 09:05 AM
I hate to add fuel to this “touchy subject” but my curiosity has gotten ahold of the best of me. John, just out of curiosity what is your definition and, or ,choice of charity in this comedy?DanC
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Posted on: 01/02/2021 11:36 AM
Johnny: I think it's interesting that you are so certain of a Trump victory yet you are unwilling to go for the $25,000. That tells me you are not as strong of a believer in your faith as you claim.
But if you're unwilling to back up your faith for $25,000, of course I will honor the $2,500 bet. But I would like to add one more stipulation. Again, you should have no issue with this since you are certain about the outcome.
Not only does the loser pay the other $2,500 but he agrees to never post to this site ever again. Not under his current user name or any subsequent user names.
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Posted on: 01/02/2021 12:01 PM
Mo - Thanks to Kevin, I will accept your "Half Century" box set if I'm correct. I would like to amend our bet slightly, however.
Let's change it to which person will be president for the next four years. Trump as the president for me and either Biden or Harris for you. The reason for the amendment is just in case the inauguration date is postponed. I'll assume this amendment is agreeable unless you state so otherwise.
Edited by King_of_Glass on 01/02/2021 12:07 PM
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Posted on: 01/02/2021 01:50 PM
So, if you lose, you have to pay me $2,500. And, you as the loser, you would not ever post here again. That's a double win for me. The only reason I'm choosing the lesser amount is for your benefit in having to pay.
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Posted on: 01/02/2021 02:46 PM
Okay, Adam Schiff, (oops, that was typo) I mean, Kevin, your amendment would read like this:
"But if you're unwilling to back up your faith for $25,000, of course I will honor the $2,500 bet. But I would like to add one more stipulation. Again, you should have no issue with this since you are certain about the outcome.
Not only does the loser pay the other $25,000 but he agrees to never post to this site ever again. Not under his current user name or any subsequent user names."
In that case, I'll accept our bet of $2,500 with no stipulations! Done!
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Posted on: 01/02/2021 07:27 PM
Okay, Kevin, I'm back. So, IF the bet were $25,000, you would truly pay that amount to me if you lose? I find it extremely hard to believe. If only you really knew how thin the ice is that you're treading on with wanting to bet $25,000!
Although you may not believe it, I'm actually doing you a favor by selecting the lesser amount because you are going to lose. You will not win betting against what God has told his prophecy ministers concerning the final outcome of the election. I'll give it some more thought, however, if I should decide to choose to increase the amount although it won't be any amount greater than double what you and I have currently agreed upon. There's not a whole lot of incentive for me as the money will not be ending up in my bank account as its final destination.
Edited by King_of_Glass on 01/02/2021 07:31 PM
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Posted on: 01/03/2021 02:48 AM
Dan - Help me out and give me some advice. Kevin wants me to increase the bet which is at $2,500. What should I do? Should I double it or should I just say it's good where it's at? Not increasing the bet would actually be doing Kevin a favor even though he doesn't see it that way.
Also, as you know, he wanted me to agree to be banished forever from posting here if I lose and vice versa. Should he and I agree to that? Please advise! If I don't hear back from you, I'll just have to make a decision on my own.
Anyone else is welcome to give their opinion. I'd welcome it. Jude, Rich, Gerry, Dewey, Penny?
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Posted on: 01/03/2021 02:24 PM
Kevin - I am willing to increase our bet. However, I need to hear from you exactly what amount you truly are willing to pay if you lose. Let's be totally honest. You nor I would be willing to pay the other $25,000. That's just not reasonable.
If I don't hear back from you then you and I are locked in at $2,500. That amount will only change if both of us are in agreement to change it. The bet is not able to be cancelled unless both parties agree to the cancellation!
Your move as a particular lyric goes!
P.S. To anyone else who may be interested in a bet, I have a second maroon and gray America varsity/letterman jacket that I will offer up as a bet. Just let me know if you're interested.
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Posted on: 01/04/2021 12:44 AM
Otherwise.
If Trump is inaugurated on Presidential Inauguration Day, 2021, I will send you my Half Century box set.
If Biden is inaugurated on Presidential Inauguration Day, 2021, I will be happy to receive your America letter jacket and belt buckle.
Long live America,
Mo
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Posted on: 01/04/2021 09:16 AM
Hey John, I’m not interested in any piece of clothing you have in your closet nor any of your dirty money, but I would be interested in a friendly wager with you. How about if trump is sworn in on Jan. 20th we never hear from you on this site ever again, if Biden is inaugurated you will never see me on this site again! Deal or No Deal?DanC
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Posted on: 01/04/2021 01:12 PM
Dan - My "dirty money"? You know how to really hurt a guy! It would probably be more accurate to have said you're not interested in any piece of dirty clothing in my closet. Concerning a friendly wager, how about this one which is by far much, much better:
If Trump is sworn in on Inauguration Day, we never hear from you here again.
If Biden is sworn in on Inauguration Day, we never hear from you here again.
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Posted on: 01/04/2021 02:51 PM
Kevin - That's a deal so you and I are locked in at $5,000! And, I agree to no changing nor cancelling the bet unless the other person consents to it.
FYI regarding Dan's latest posting. He absolutely did word his proposal correctly. It's clear to me that he believes just as I do that Trump will be the president for the next four years. He may be rude with the wearing of his cruel boots he got for Christmas, but he's not totally ignorant in spite of his many postings from the past indicating otherwise.
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Posted on: 01/05/2021 11:18 AM
Hi KoG,
You asked for my opinion on your bet with Kevin.
I think the bet should be $11,780 paid in $1 bills, or $117.80 paid in cents. The prize should be counted three times before being paid to the winner. Counting should take place at Philadelphia City Hall and be supervised by Bill Gates, Q and Hillary Clinton. Maybe Hugo Chavez could return from the dead and provide the counting machines.
If, after recounting, the prize is rumoured to be 'a lot more, maybe hundreds of thousands', the lesser amount will be paid.
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Posted on: 01/05/2021 09:38 PM
Hi Jude,
I like how you think! Excellent idea, however, I believe there needs to be some major tweaking.
1) Instead of $11,780 in $1 bills, the amount should be $11,821, but I'll explain why that amount on the day it's announced that Trump's the actual winner of the presidential election. I would like to ask you, however, how you came to $11,780? It's not obvious to me.
2) Regarding the counting of the prize money three times before being paid out, that is an excellent idea! As with the votes, we want every single dollar bill counted which, of course, includes even the fake, counterfeit ones. Every bill counts! Well, except Bill Clinton, speaking of fake bills! "I did not have sex with that women...holding the stack of money...although I tried!"
3) Counting the money at the Philadelphia City Hall is another excellent idea! However (another damn however), we want Hillary to be present as you mentioned, Jude. Therefore, the location has to be changed. Since we can't bring Hillary and the money to Philly, we must bring the money to Hillary and her location. She hasn't been heard from in a while. It's rumored that she's at the location where we have to go which is to Gitmo. So, Cuba here we come! Hillary we will be arriving shortly to visit you. No need to change your clothes for us. After all, you look damn good in stripes!
4) Jude, you mentioned Bill Gates is to be there to supervise. Unfortunately, he must stay where he's at as he is still needed to give us pesky little American citizens more medical advice concerning what is good about vaccinations and invisible tattoos to be used on us and to be placed either on the right hand or on the forehead. Please don't let that give anyone the wrong idea! It has absolutely nothing to do with what the Bible says will happen to every inhabitant on earth in the future. It's strictly coincidental. Honest! Plus, all the medical-related issues suggested by Bill Gates is because he has a medical degree. What? He doesn't? That surely has to be a mistake as he speaks and acts like he's a medical doctor. Speaking of a medical doctor, we really should substitute Bill Gates with Dr. Fauci because we need someone like him if not for anything else but to bring us masks and to be sure we're wearing our masks properly.
5) You mentioned Hugo Chavez. We need to allow him to rest in peace. After all, when he was alive, he cared so much for the peace of the people of his country that it's the only rightful and respectful thing to do for such a humane and loving person such as him when he was alive. So, instead, we shall bring Jeffrey Epstein back from the dead. Actually, L. Lin Wood who is the attorney working with Sidney Powell believes Epstein is still alive and living somewhere under protection to be used against many people such as Chief Justice John Roberts and another justice, Justice Stephen Breyer. We shall see what the future holds for both of them. It's been said there will be two more Supreme Court vacancies that President Trump will need to fill during his second term. Just idle chatter, I'm quite sure!
6) Concerning the counting/voting machines, they are never to be tampered with. Well, not more than once. After all, we must not let anyone come near them. Someone might want to examine them. Hands off! Instead, we'll bring in slot machines. You know how they make that cute chiming sound? That's exactly the sound we need because it's going to be cha-ching for either Kevin or me.
7) I almost forgot about Q! Q is out of the question. We must allow Q to remain anonymous. Instead, we'll bring back cute little JonBenet Ramsey for Jeffrey Epstein as he enjoys the company of underaged girls. I'm sorry. That's way too underaged for even Jeffrey Epstein. He likes his underaged girls a bit more mature like around the age of 15 or 16. Forgive me as I temporarily had Epstein confused with someone else who likes being around girls of JonBenet's age. Sorry for my confusing Epstein for Joe Biden. So, please forgive me.
8) Regarding your mention, Jude, of being paid in cents, we should include the presence of Gerry, Rich, Dewey and his wife Penny. After all, we are using an America-related website to discuss all of this. Plus, we'll have Penny bring a penny. That's my two cents!
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Posted on: 01/06/2021 02:53 PM
Thanks Mo.
KoG, are you happy with what's going on right now at the Capitol? I hope Trump is charged with sedition. I don't have time to watch this play out. I only hope that no lives are lost. Disgraceful.
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Posted on: 01/06/2021 03:39 PM
Of course not, Jude! I'm insulted you would even ask me that question. I, however,in an act of fair play, will be asking you the same question when it erupts after the declaration of Trump as president for the next four years.
Trump charged with sedition? I'm quite sure he didn't ask his supporters to burst through the doors of the Capitol Building. The people are enraged at the attempted election theft. If only you were as enraged...if only.
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Posted on: 01/06/2021 11:26 PM
If you're as polite and well-mannered as you say you are, Jude, then please don't ignore my question that I had posted earlier as it appears above.
Jude - I've returned to edit my original posting to say the following: for you to point your finger at me for what the protestors did in Washington merely because I'm a Trump supporter would be like me accusing you of being a part of the mayhem that occurred last year in Portland and Seattle just because you're a Biden supporter. Totally ridiculous!
Edited by King_of_Glass on 01/07/2021 01:47 AM
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Posted on: 01/07/2021 03:36 AM
Hi KoG,
Sincerest apologies, I did not see your question.
11,780 is the number of votes Trump requested Georgia Secretary of State to 'find' for him so that he could steal the Georgia election. Thought you would have been aware of Trump's efforts to overthrow the Georgia result. Kind of spoils my joke when I have to explain it ☹
Mind you, Trump's efforts are nothing to laugh at.
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Posted on: 01/07/2021 04:30 AM
Thanks for the explanation, Jude. I wasn't aware of the exact number of votes Trump mentioned. Concerning the money amount I selected, as mentioned in my posted message here, I'll explain it when Trump is informed he is the president again. No, it's not never. It's time for bed as it's 2:30 AM here. Thanks again for the reply. Until next time.
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Posted on: 01/07/2021 04:29 PM
Hello Jude,
I would like you and others here to view portions of the video below as it addresses exactly who some of the people were that broke into the Capitol Building and its meeting room. They were not Trump supporters! They were slyly attempting to appear as if they were. They are actually people who oppose Trump just as you do. So, shame on them! And, if I were to carry it as far as you did yesterday, shame on anyone who supports the same candidate they support!
Start at time marker 13:25 and run through 19:30 as Pastor Lance Wallnau speaks. It would be better, however, to view all the way to 23:00.
Prophecy minister Hank Kunneman speaks at time marker 30:00 through 34:00. He is definitely worth watching as he talks about God's will to place Trump in office for another 4 years if I'm not mistaken about his topic. It is worth watching Kunneman speak again at 42:15 through 46:45.
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Posted on: 01/11/2021 10:59 AM
Below is a very interesting YouTube video about what the Congress members of the Democrat Party are trying to achieve and why them want President Trump eliminated. I welcome people's opinions.
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Posted on: 01/11/2021 11:46 AM
LOL! Good one, Kevin! I'm glad to see that you're just as confident as I am about that but vice versa! And, you'll see why my not increasing the bet was really me doing you a favor.
Has anyone else heard that General Michael Flynn will be Trump's new VP? Perhaps it's just rumor.
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Posted on: 01/12/2021 01:31 AM
Hi Jude - Planned "Shock & Awe" activities? Sorry but I'm not familiar with what you're talking about. What planned activities? My mention of "Shock & Awe" was from what the prophecy ministers were saying will occur during this week concerning the fraudulent election.
By the way, did you view the YouTube video I posted on the 11th?
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Posted on: 01/12/2021 01:51 AM
KoG,
The FBI has information on planned armed protests in all 50 states over the dates that you describe as the 'SHOCK AND AWE' period of time. Coincidence? Can't believe you are not aware of this.
I did watch that video and came to the conclusion that the commentator is yet another RWNJ. Do you have a transcript so that I can fact check?
Jude
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Posted on: 01/12/2021 02:10 AM
Jude - I thought that might have been what you were referring to, but I wasn't sure. In total and absolute honesty, I actually only heard about it from my sister about 30 minutes before I read your posting. Since I hadn't heard the news for myself, I wasn't 100% sure what my sister had told me was accurate. As it turns out, I thought my sister was telling me Biden supporters were planning the activities that you have described. But, thinking back on my conversation with my sister, she didn't say which side was planning the activities. I had assumed she meant Biden supporters for some reason. Not until just now am I understanding from you that it's plans of the Republicans and not that of the Democrats. I'm serious. It's the Trump supporters then, correct? I have not viewed any news today or tonight.
Edited by King_of_Glass on 01/12/2021 02:13 AM
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Posted on: 01/12/2021 02:18 AM
Kevin - For our bet in the amount of $10,000 and because it's such a large amount of money, I'd prefer to bet who will be the next president for the next four years whether it be Biden or Harris for you or Trump for me. As odd as this may sound, in case there are two inaugurations (one for Biden and one for Trump held by different groups), we have to distinguish in some way how the bet is qualified...how it's determined who the winner is between the both of us. Therefore, we can't say on January 20 or even the term of "on Inauguration Day". It needs to be like when it's determined without a doubt who the president will be. You and I need to come to definite terms with such a large amount at stake. I'm open to suggestions.
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Posted on: 01/12/2021 02:28 AM
Of course it is Trump supporters. Same as those who want to hang Mike Pence, who want to kill Nancy Pelosi, who went to the Capitol waving Trump flags, who beat a police officer with an American flag, who carried plastic hand restraints into the Senate.
FWIW, I do not think that all Trump supporters behave like this, or support violent overthrow of your democratically elected government.
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Posted on: 01/12/2021 03:41 AM
The gatherings are an awful idea because Antifa and BLM members are going to disguise themselves again and will reek havoc. Yes, I said again. For that reason alone, the gatherings should not happen in my opinion.
Did you read my message to Kevin (and a mention to Mo) that there's a possibility of two different inaugurations occurring? One of the prophecy ministers eluded to it saying if it happens God is going to nullify Biden's. Just saying!
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Posted on: 01/12/2021 10:05 AM
I see that Johnny is trying to change the time of the bet. The bet WE have- just to be clear- is who will be inaugurated on January 20. I see he is trying to drag the bet out over four years, maybe in the hope it will be forgotten at the end of that time? I remain hopeful for our country . The world is watching us.
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Posted on: 01/12/2021 10:56 AM
No, Robyn, you are completely wrong about me "trying to drag the bet over four years". I absolutely know that President Trump will be the president for the next four years. Did you not read my most recent posting prior to this one? I'm concerned there might be two inaugurations either on the same day or perhaps on two different days. I'm trying to avoid any confusion if that should occur. One of the prophecy ministers stated that might happen. Therefore, the following is my suggestion:
The winner of our bet (I have one each with you, Robyn, as well as with Mo and Kevin and others who are not participants here), is the person whose candidate occupies the White House on February 20, 2021. This way there is absolutely no argument whose candidate won. Or, if the betting person's candidate goes to prison before the date of February 20, 2021 the other betting person wins. Simple as that.
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Posted on: 01/12/2021 11:01 AM
That was NOT our bet and you know it. OUR bet, the one I will hold to is was and always WILL BE WHo will be inaugurated on January 20. Not the "alternative inauguration held in the lobby of the Airport Alamo or wherever Rudy sets it. Period. THAT was our bet. See you are trying to change it as your misinformation
about future events changes. Sorry. No
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Posted on: 01/12/2021 11:49 AM
The essence of the bet is who will be the president. We chose January 20 not knowing there might be two candidates claiming each to be president. What are we going to do if both Biden and Trump are inaugurated on that same day at two different locations?
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Posted on: 01/12/2021 02:13 PM
FYI to Kevin, Mo and Robyn:
One of the two other people who I have a $1,000 bet with each, sees the changing of the qualifications in determining the winner to the date of Feb 20, 2021 as an acceptable change. It clears away any doubt who the winner of the bet is in the very strange event of both Biden and Trump being inaugurated on January 20th but at two different locations. The other person I have yet to hear from. As confident as the three of you are, you have nothing to lose with the agreement to the terms I have proposed. Otherwise, the three of us may be left in confusion as to whom the true winner is of our individual bets as it currently stands. After all, the whole reason for the bet is about who we believe will be the next president. Changing the terms as I have issued will not affect your winning as each of you believe Biden will be occupying the WH on Feburary 20, 2021. I very much need to hear from the both of you (Kevin and Mo). Robyn, you know what I have said and feel so it's up to you if you still want to maintain our bet. Otherwise, it will leave you and me with no clear winner.
Edited by King_of_Glass on 01/12/2021 02:18 PM
Re: OT: Very Touchy Subject...The Election Results Thus Far
Posted on: 01/12/2021 02:30 PM
It's really not that difficult. You are convinced some god is going to magically make Trump the next president of the United States. I am telling you that won't happen.
If you want to delay it until February 20, fine by me. I doubt you are planning to pay anyway. So this gives you one more month to live in your fantasy land until you renege on your bet.
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Posted on: 01/12/2021 03:01 PM
I stand by the date of the ORIGINAL bet. Period. You change the terms you lose the bet. No changes. The original bet stands. Do you hope to make all your bets disappear, by changing horses in midstream?
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Posted on: 01/12/2021 03:14 PM
I appreciate that. The more clarified terms but not the comments. You have me quite curious, Kevin, with your saying "some god". Are you a non-believer/atheist like Jude and Mo are or are you simply belittling the thought of God using modern day prophets to relay messages of importance to His believers? I had thought of you as a Christian based on past postings from the many years you and I have been posting to this chat board or SteveL's. I'd very much like to know as it gives me a great perspective into what helps make a person who they are. I hope you don't mind saying. Concerning our bet, I will not be needing to pay. It will be you paying me. We shall all see just how honest you are. That's why I didn't want to agree to the loser of the bet being banned from posting here. I want you here to be present and me hounding you to pay the bet.
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Posted on: 01/12/2021 05:44 PM
Mo, glad to be of service...
Have been wondering about the suitability of the Four Seasons Landscaping car park as an appropriate venue for the second 'inauguration'. Giuliani has previously held a successful event there so must be familiar and satisfied with the facilities, particularly security. And I'm sure the surrounding businesses would be grateful for Trump's patronage.
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Posted on: 01/12/2021 08:52 PM
Mo - You and I started off so well here upon your recent return. It seems to have quickly deteriorated. Anyway, if it ends up that we have two different inaugurations, our bet will end up in a draw. To avoid that possibility, you and I need to amend the condition of our bet. May we change it to the date of February 20, 2021 for example? Whoever is the president by that date will indicate which of the two of us is the winner of the bet. One of the prophecy ministers made mention of the strong likelihood of there being two presidents because of two inaugurations, but it will be rectified at a later date. Surely, by February 20, 2021, we will know who the actual president is. I want to avoid ending up in a tie if that were to occur. I feel quite sure you highly doubt it. I, however, want to be sure our bet is not left with any doubt as to who the winner is. Please let me know your thoughts regarding whether we may alter the date to February 20, 2021 or some other remedy satisfactory to both of us.
Edited by King_of_Glass on 01/12/2021 08:53 PM
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Posted on: 01/13/2021 04:32 AM
Mo - If you are willing to adjust the date to February 20, 2021 as the determining factor concerning our bet, I will double the offer while you don't need to change yours. If on the above date, President-Elect Joe Biden is the president, I will offer you my second maroon and gray America letterman jacket in addition to the one already as our bet, and I'll include a second America belt buckle. If Trump is president as of that date, I'm the winner of your America box set. Everything is to your advantage. President-Elect Biden has the electoral votes certified. Trump has said he will aid in the smooth transition of the presidency. If I don't hear back from you by 11:59 PM Eastern time Wednesday the 13th, the offer is just the one America jacket and buckle as originally agreed to. Just as a reminder regarding our original bet, if on Inauguration Day there are two different inaugurations (one for Biden and one for Trump) that will end up in a tie with nothing being exchanged.
Edited by King_of_Glass on 01/13/2021 10:50 PM
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Posted on: 01/13/2021 07:46 PM
Kevin - I just want you to be crystal clear with no doubt whatsoever in front of everyone here. If Donald Trump is the president on February 20, 2021, I win and you will pay me $10,000? No if, and or buts! Correct?
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Posted on: 01/13/2021 08:41 PM
I don't understand why this is so difficult for you to get, Johnny. We bet $10,000 on who the next president of the United States would be.
I said it will be Joe Biden. You said it will be Donald Trump. Because some goofy-ass prophets told you so.
It's a bet on whether Trump is president of the United States, not president of Trump Enterprises, or of his cell block, or in some fantasy inauguration where he rides off on a golden unicorn to become president of Trumpland for life.
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Posted on: 01/13/2021 11:55 PM
Kevin, you forgot the rainbow and sparkles! Seriously though, I appreciate your reply. I just wanted your unequivocal response on the record.
Concerning your mention of "some goofy-ass prophets", we shall see exactly who the goofy-ass will actually be. If I may offer you a small piece of advice: if I were you, I'd purchase some adult disposable undies to be worn starting any time soon in preparation of the announcement that Trump will be the legitimate victor of the 2020 presidential election.
Regarding your mention of a cell block, I feel quite sure you're aware treason is punishable up to death. You may not know that death by firing squad was reinstated as a legal means of execution just this past November and signed by President Trump. Ironic that I saw a YouTube video talking about how Biden plans to go up against the NRA. I don't think he's going to have enough time.
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Posted on: 01/14/2021 04:05 AM
No, Jude, I'm serious about the possibility of massive arrests of political people at the inauguration. I, of course, know full well you don't believe the election was fraudulent. I believe they will arrest Joe Biden before the swearing in as it would be illegal to inaugurate an illegitimate president-elect! Plus, people such as Hillary and Bill will be present, I'm sure, as well as former Presidents Obama and Bush, Pelosi, Schumer, Mitch McConnell and many others who may be arrested. What better place then when they're all gathered together? Plus, I think the arrests should be done publicly especially Biden's. Another thought is there will be thousands of military personnel present to perform the arrests. Maybe it's just my wishful thinking, but l don't discount that possibility.
As far as your saying to enjoy the Biden years, I'm not too sure he has many years left as there's the possibility of his execution by firing squad as I had mentioned to Kevin in my earlier posting.
The next time you're here posting, Jude, please let us know what time it is there in Syndey. I'm curious to know the time difference. My local time is two hours earlier than what's marked here by the computer.
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Posted on: 01/16/2021 11:42 AM
A basic FYI to anyone present:
It's my understanding next week is supposed to be filled with lots of excitement regarding the presidential election! We'll see if Biden is even allowed to have an inauguration. I don't think he will. If he does, he may well be arrested before the official swearing-in. I read a message sent to me on Facebook stating President Trump will remain as president due to the proof of foreign interference in the election, and undisputable proof will be provided on Monday. If so, Biden will likely be disqualified allegedly per some law which would make Trump the automatic winner. That, of course, would make the prophecy ministers right about Trump being president again. We shall see!
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Posted on: 01/18/2021 09:07 PM
Seriously, Johnny. You post a q-anon wet dream article that ADVOCATES the PUBLIC murder of PRESIDENT OBAMA and PRESIDENT ELECT BIDEN? You really truly ARE a piece of work. This is offensive. I used to enjoy the back and forth about music with you, but you are so far down the rabbit hole, there is no common ground.
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Posted on: 01/19/2021 04:34 AM
As it is quickly approaching Inauguration Day, I would like to say the following:
Many people do not believe in the existence of modern day prophets aka prophecy ministers. I have absolutely no doubt, whatsoever, that they do exist.
Amos 3:7 “For the Lord God does nothing without revealing his secret to his servants the prophets."
What is one of the purposes of prophets? To prove the existence of God!
As I have claimed here, a sizable number of modern day prophets have said President Trump will be the president for the next four years. In spite of how it may currently look, this prophecy will come true!
Will President-Elect Joe Biden be sworn-in on Wednesday? Only time will tell. It is my understanding President Trump has an extremely important message he will broadcast on Wednesday morning at 8:00 AM ET. That will be on Inauguration Day. I also understand it will be broadcast via the Emergency Alert System, and all other television channels are to be shut down. Also, the EAS is to be in effect for the next 72 hours. I have no doubt what will be transpiring in the next several days will be what the prophecy ministers have said which is: God has said to them what is coming, "a big surprise"!!!
One prophecy minister made mention of the possibility of two inaugurations and two presidents; however, one person will have his nullified. Which one? Joe Biden! Let us watch and see what happens on Wednesday in both Trump's announcement and the inauguration.
Another prophecy several of the minister have made is many, many people will be going to prison for their hand in the attempted theft of the presidential election. They will include many Democrats as well as Republicans. It is my understanding close to 200,000 sealed indictments are ready to be issued shortly after President Trump begins his second term. The Democrat Party will suffer so greatly that it will struggle for its existence for many, many years. The Republican Party will as well, but not like the Democrats. So much so for the Republicans that a new conservative party will arise according to the ministers.
Why you may ask is God moving His hand so late? It's exactly like the event in the Bible regarding the parting of the Red Sea. The Egyptian army was pursuing the Israelis who had earlier been released after being their slaves for many years. The Israelis had nowhere to ran as the Egyptians were quickly approaching to either recapture or kill them. What did God do? He parted the Red Sea which allowed the Israelis to escape by running across the DRY floor of the sea. When the Egyptian army followed them across the dry ground, God allowed the parted waters of the sea to flood back down drowning the entire army. God could have destroyed the Egyptians at an earlier point during their pursuit, but He didn't. Why? Because He wanted the Israelis to witness the miracle God would be performing for them.
Why is God waiting until the last day to reveal the surprise He has in store for the man He has chosen to be the true and official president? Because, like He did by parting the Red Sea, He wants everyone to see the miracle He is going to perform on Inauguration Day or so it is my belief.
The analogy of the Red Sea event to the presidential election:
1) The Egyptian Army pursued the Israelis. The Democrats pursue Trump.
2) The Israelis were pursued from the left. Trump is pursed by the Left.
3) The Egyptian Army was drowned. The Democratic Party will be "drowned".
4) The Israelis made it across the Red Sea. Trump made it to his second term by the "red sea' of supporters.
5) God parted the Red Sea at the very last possible moment. God will make Trump president on the very last possible day.
6) The Israelis are God's chosen people. Trump is God's chosen president.
What might President Trump's announcement be about? It is strictly my speculation, but I think he may announce that a year or two prior to the election, he may have enacted a law approved by/passed by the Supreme Court concerning what should occur in the event of provable election fraud in the presidential election if a foreign country is involved. In that event, I heard, the candidate who benefits from the fraud is disqualified and the other candidate is automatically declared the winner! As I had posted earlier, there is alleged fraud conducted by Italy on behalf of the request by former President Obama. If true and proven, he will surely face treason charges and so will Joe Biden who, with little doubt, would certainly be fully aware of the fraud. One of the penalties for treason in the United States, as I have mentioned here previously, is death! It should be an extremely interesting next several months.
Once again, the prophecy ministers are saying the following: January will be a month of justice; February, a month of fury; and March, a month of celebration!
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Posted on: 01/19/2021 12:58 PM
Shock and awe: "Technically known as rapid dominance is a tactic based on the use of overwhelming power and spectacular displays of force to paralyze the enemy's perception of the battlefield and destroy their will to fight."
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Posted on: 01/19/2021 01:21 PM
The truly wonderful thing about murky predications is you can adapt them to any situation. Good for you. While your original post pointed toward the elimination of Biden/ Harris and the Triumph of Trump you now indicate otherwise, the acceptance, albeit grudging and insincere, by mr. trump that he has to leave.
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Posted on: 01/19/2021 02:28 PM
KOG says "It is strictly my speculation, but I think he may announce that a year or two prior to the election, he may have enacted a law approved by/passed by the Supreme Court concerning what should occur in the event of provable election fraud in the presidential election if a foreign country is involved."
Did you even ATTEND Government class in High School. This is just not possible.
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Posted on: 01/19/2021 11:17 PM
The video link below is what I viewed that mentions President Trump and the Emergency Alert System being used. I have actually not heard it talked about anywhere else. I was relying on them knowing what they are talking about. The entire video is very interesting. The part about the EAS is mentioned at time marker 16:00. I hope the men are accurate. We shall see tomorrow morning if it goes as they are discussing. They are not prophecy ministers, by the way.
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Posted on: 01/19/2021 11:57 PM
KoG,
You can believe any nonsense you find on the internet if you wish, but it won't change the fact that Joe Biden will be the next POTUS starting in just a few short hours. Thank goodness. BTW America Rocks
“A mind is like a parachute. It doesn’t work if it is not open.” – Frank Zappa
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Posted on: 01/20/2021 02:37 PM
From one of my messages yesterday, I said:
"One prophecy minister made mention of the possibility of two inaugurations and two presidents; however, one person will have his nullified. Which one? Joe Biden!"
Plus, it's not at the end of January yet as it's to be a January of justice!
Still hanging on to God's words via His prophecy ministers! People may choose to think I'm foolish, but so be it!
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Posted on: 01/20/2021 03:29 PM
I don't think you're foolish, Johnny. In fact, I admire your faith. It's just you have faith in the wrong god. Any god who would want Donald Trump to be president is not a god worth worshiping.
The writer John Pavlovitz said it best in his article, "The Terribly Tiny God of MAGA Christians."
I feel sorry for professed Christians who support this President.
They have a profound and fundamental spiritual problem: their God is too small.
They passionately worship a deity made in their own image: white, American, Republican, male—and perpetually terrified of Muslims, immigrants, gay children, Special Counsel reports, mandalas, Harry Potter, Starbucks holiday cups, yoga, wind turbines, Science—everything. Their God is so laughably minuscule, so fully neutered of power, so completely devoid of functioning vertebrae that “He” cannot protect them from the encroaching monsters they are certain lurk around every corner to overwhelm them.
MAGA Christians sure put up a brave face, I’ll give them that. They shower this God with effusive praise on Sunday mornings, they sing with reckless abandon in church services about Him, they brazenly pump out their chests on social media regarding His infinite wisdom, they defiantly declare this God’s staggering might at every opportunity—but their lives tell the truth: They believe He is impotent and scared and ineffectual. You can tell this because they insist on doing all the things that a God-sized God would simply do as part of the gig.
They need to be armed to the teeth at all times because they don’t really believe God will come through to defend them in a pinch—and will always be outgunned.
They want to change gay couples and transgender teenagers themselves because they don’t trust God to work within people as He desires. (Apparently, God keeps making LGBTQ people, which really pisses them off.)
They want to stockpile and hoard wealth, health insurance, and opportunity—because this is a zero-sum game; because the God they claim turned water into wine, and fed thousands with a few fish and some leftover bread—can’t make enough for everyone.
They are obsessed with building a wall and defending a border and turning away refugees—because their God isn’t generous or smart or creative enough to help them figure out how to welcome and care for everyone who requires it.
They want no other religious traditions to have a voice because their insecure and terribly tiny God is mortally threatened by such things.
MAGA Christians’ daily existence testifies that their God is a microscopic, myopic coward, who has appointed them to morally police a world He cannot handle or is not equipped to direct and renovate. That’s pretty sad.
In short, their God isn’t a God worth believing in or worshiping—which is why they have to play God while they’re alive. It’s why they are furrowed-browed and white-knuckling their journey here—not content to let Jesus take the wheel for fear he’d drive them outside their gated community and into the hood and ask them to get out and care for the people they’re so used to condemning.
If you’re going to have a God, it may as well be right-sized. The world deserves this.
People deserve a God who is bigger than Franklin Graham’s and Mike Pence’s and Sarah Sanders’ and Jerry Falwell’s and the GOP’s God. Their God is small and terrified—and it suspiciously resembles them.
People deserve a God who so loves the world, not a God who thinks America First; whose creation begins without divides and borders and walls because there is only a single, interdependent community.
People deserve a God who touched the leper and healed the sick and fed the starving and parted the seas and raised the dead—not a quivering idol who builds walls and drafts bathroom bills and launches social media crusades against migrant families.
People deserve a God who is neither white nor male nor cisgender-heterosexual, nor Republican—because any other God isn’t big enough to bear the title or merit any reverence.
MAGA Christians believe in God earnestly, pray to God passionately, serve God with unflinching fervor. The problem is their God is too small, and as long as they are oriented toward such a tiny, useless deity—they will continue to be compelled to do for God what they believe God should be doing, but can’t or won’t.
I feel sorry for them and for the world that has to be subjected to their pocket-sized theology when there is an expansive space waiting.
I hope and pray that these people soon find a God who is big enough so that they stop living so small.
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Posted on: 01/21/2021 01:37 PM
Kevin - I truly do appreciate everything you said to me in your message as I found it to be very sincere. You are mistaken, however. The God I worship told the prophecy ministers correctly. Trump will be the president for the next four years although it currently appears it will be Biden/Harris.
It was mentioned to me by someone that Biden's oath omitted "to protect the Constitution" portion during his swearing-in. I haven't gone back to check whether that's so.
Yes, Trump is out. He does not have anything to do with what the military will be doing soon. Because the military has proof of Biden being fraudulent, under the Constitution, they have a duty to remove Biden. With Biden removed that means Trump actually wins by default. Therefore, Trump will return. Let's watch and see what occurs. Perhaps, it will be another Bible parallel, but this time with the true story of Lazarus (Trump) and his being brought back from the death.
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Posted on: 01/21/2021 03:35 PM
You heard he forgot to mention "to protect the Constitution" when he took his oath? I have a question, Johnny? Do you have a computer? And if so, does it have Internet access? And if so, do you get Google? And if so, do you know how to type the words "Biden sworn in" into the dialog box? Because if you performed that simple act, a video of yesterday's swearing-in would pop up, and if you clicked on that video, it would play, and when it plays you can see the words Biden said, and when you see the words Biden said you would know whether he said "to protect the Constitution" before you made your post, and if you did that you would not look so foolish.
(Hint, he did say those words.)
Edited by MyUserNameIsKevin on 01/21/2021 04:09 PM
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Posted on: 01/21/2021 05:25 PM
Wow, Kevin, I try to be kind to you by saying I appreciate your previous message and saying how I thought it was very sincere. Yet, you attack me for saying I merely heard what I said and that I hadn't personally checked, but you came at me as if I had said Biden definitely had omitted those words.
Talk about appearing foolish! You asked me whether I have a computer with Google access. No, I magically wish my thoughts onto this website without use of a computer.
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Posted on: 01/21/2021 07:22 PM
Jude! But, Jesus is God in human form. I actually didn't know that for many years as a Christian. I thought Jesus was "merely" the Messiah and not God made flesh when Jesus came to earth.
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Posted on: 01/23/2021 12:14 AM
So.. January 22 and Joe Biden is President. There was no super-secret pact that has come to light and no alternate Biden being revealed ala the end of a Scooby-Doo cartoon, with the mask being ripped away to reveal it's really Donald Trump that was sworn in! Johnny needs to let me know if he intends to hold our bet, which I have posted here as WHO is inaugurated on January 20,2021. He kept trying to change it, much as his "prophecy ministers" kept moving the goal posts. I know you are going to back out, claim some loophole, maybe get legal advice from Rudy, but Johnny are you going to be a grown
up and honor the bet?
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Posted on: 01/23/2021 05:24 PM
Your initial message saying, "...that is enough" was accepted by me after you posted it.
It's all a moot point anyway (you can't win a bet if your person cheated) as your candidate will very likely be removed, and I will be headed to prison as there is irrefutable evidence of multiple foreign countries having interfered. I'm hoping it's this year and not next that all this comes down.
You all obviously aren't aware of many things occurring currently. The military is not recognizing Biden as the legal winner because they have seen the evidence. Hoping Trump will be president again in March of this year and not until next as the prophecy ministers have said he would serve another four years and not in 2024.
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Posted on: 01/23/2021 05:28 PM
True. I don't want your "treasured" America-belia. I only collect things that mean something to me and as I am downsizing I have NO desire for your collection. I hope when you see them, you are reminded of the bet.
AS to your cherished desire that Biden will be dragged off in cuffs for some imagined treason, well. as my Mom liked to point out "dreams are cheap"
You still need to post "Biden is my President" on your Facebook page. We are still not FB friends. In the middle of all this, I was reminded of WHY we stopped being friends. You threatened me with bodily harm. And while I am not living in fear that you could actually make good on that threat, I choose not to be "friendly" with anyone so twisted as to threaten someone over- I believe- a SONG LYRIC MEANING.
AS there has been no real evidence of cheating, except in the "My Pillow"-like brain of the former President- or his law team- I am not concerned about a change in leadership.
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Posted on: 01/23/2021 05:32 PM
We had a pretty straight-forward bet, Johnny. That Biden would be inaugurated and Biden, not Trump, would be president come February 20. I gave you an extra month to let your delusion play out.
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Posted on: 01/23/2021 05:38 PM
Johnny, if there is evidence of fraud that changed the election, show it. The FACT is, NO evidence has been found nor shown. You do realize that your Prophecy Ministers have changed their tune every time their "prophecy" doesn't come true? First Biden wouldn't win (you would think if GOD was telling your Prophecy Ministers what would happen, GOD would know about the cheating), then there would be two inaugurations and two presidents at the same time. Then the supreme court would overturn the results, Then you said Trump wasn't really moving out of the White House, then you said Biden wouldn't be moving in. Next you said Biden would be out by the end of the month. In all of this, most of us would want Biden removed if he had committed fraud to win. But at this point I believe the law only permits the standard succession which means, if the president is removed it becomes the vice president, then the speaker of the house. I don't recall the reason you said you thought the speaker would be in prison too but next in line would be Chuck Schumer... Conspiracy theories have a way of clouding your judgement, and almost never come true.
“A mind is like a parachute. It doesn’t work if it is not open.” – Frank Zappa
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Posted on: 01/23/2021 06:07 PM
You threatened to come to my house and shoot me. It was a long time ago. I believe my response was I have a big dog. You won't remember it but it ended our friendship You did it.
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Posted on: 01/23/2021 07:03 PM
Here's a hypothetical:
Let's say we're betting on a 10-mile race between runners. I bet you Runner A places first on the winner's stand that day. You bet Runner B will. While no one is looking, Runner B takes a short cut which gets him to the finish line first. Weeks later, the officials check the cameras and determines Runner B cheated by taking the short cut. He's stripped of his medal, and it goes to Runner A.
At the award ceremony, Runner B did proudly stand on the 1st place winner's spot. So, are you saying you win the bet because Runner B placed first on the winner's stand that day in spite of the cameras proving he cheated?
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Posted on: 01/23/2021 07:05 PM
If anyone is lucky enough for Mr Johnny to concede defeat and agree to pay up, I suggest you do it by electronic transfer.
If he agrees to send you memorabilia, I would have it deep cleaned before touching it.
I think you will find that if he doesn't honour his bets his defense will be insanity and this led him to make all sorts of convoluted statements. I hope he has a spreadsheet.
He claims that he is cognizant of information held by the US military. How amusement.
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Posted on: 01/23/2021 07:26 PM
Johnny in your QAnon hypothetical, What if none of the runners cheated, but when standing on the podium as the winner, he dies, does that make the second place the winner? If so, and he also dies, does third place become winner, and if he also dies, then the announcer of the race wins? Then next might be the soundman who set up the sound system, he could then become the winner of the race?
“A mind is like a parachute. It doesn’t work if it is not open.” – Frank Zappa
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Posted on: 01/23/2021 08:39 PM
Robyn, Robyn, Robyn! You poor little soul. That never happened. Our friendship back then ended over some trivia questions I had asked about an LP George Martin produced. You thought the answer was America's "Holiday". Instead, it was an LP by American Flyer. I clearly understand how you would have thought it was "Holiday", but it wasn't. I think you must have gotten extremely embarrassed with your wrong answer or thought I intentionally attempted to shame you. You and I were on extremely friendly terms. So much so that we even spoke by telephone a couple of times As far as your allegation that I threatened to "shoot you", that's utterly ridiculous and highly laughable. Please tell me why I allegedly would threaten to shoot you? What, like you quoted a song lyric wrong and that really ticked me off enough to threaten to shoot you?
As far as you saying you have a big dog, you clearly have a big imagination! Too much time spent reading fantasy books, perhaps.
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Posted on: 01/23/2021 08:42 PM
Like the Bible?
And Johnny, if I may call you that, weren't you kicked off this site some years ago only to return with a different name (that obviously identified you)? Am I wrong? Or did you voluntarily leave?
I can't be bothered trawling through the site but I suppose you'd remember and would be aware of the reason for your absence. I guess there'd also be others who remember.
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Posted on: 01/23/2021 08:51 PM
johhny johnny johnny I see denial for you is not just a river in Egypt, but a lifestyle.you did what you did. And at the time I owned a 150 pound Shepherd mix who would have eaten anyone who came to my house with I'll intent. We are no longer friends.
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Posted on: 01/23/2021 08:57 PM
Jude - If anyone should be "lucky enough" for Mr. Johnny to care about their eternal soul that he would attempt to prove that God really does exist, I suggest they might not be so flippant about the God who cared enough to give them life and to offer a way of redemption from their sins.
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Posted on: 01/23/2021 09:11 PM
Robyn - You said we're no longer friends. I sort of got that idea when you unfriended me on Facebook. That's usually a telltale sign. Perhaps, in this case, I should say a tall tale sign.
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Posted on: 01/23/2021 09:19 PM
Who???
And I hope you appreciate the sacrifice I am making to 'chat' with you on this glorious summer afternoon in Sydney. Yes, I know it is voluntary, but I am a very kind person.
Edited by GirlFromOz on 01/23/2021 09:26 PM
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Posted on: 01/23/2021 09:39 PM
What kind of person, is the guess! I know, I know! Kind of shy, reserved, timid, meek. That's the Jude of Sydney that I've had the pleasure of knowing!
Time for dinner. Nice chatting with you sinless, eduJ! By the way, there's another sinless person I know, but I highly doubt you'd ever care to know Him. I pray you will one of these days. Later.
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Posted on: 01/23/2021 09:46 PM
Is this some crazy *bleep* or what? Entertaining and rather pathetic all rolled into one. It’s really kind of a shame though, this could really be a nice blog if it wasn’t cluttered with so much bull*bleep*!!DanC
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Posted on: 01/23/2021 09:49 PM
One more thing, Chris. If by some very rare and extraordinary chance you do receive something, please don't tell anyone here. It'll ruin my reputation! Can't promise you I signed the check, however! After all, you said sending you a check was okay. You didn't mention anything about it having to be signed! Venice, CA 92406, right?
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Posted on: 01/23/2021 10:00 PM
DanC,
I apologise to you for engaging in this fruitless discussion with KoG. You are right, it has become ridiculous and tedious. I won't comment anymore.
Cheers,
Jude
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Posted on: 01/23/2021 10:11 PM
I noticed he didn't respond to why or if he was kicked off of this site before... Johnny, our bet said nothing about keeping it secret, but if you sent something to Venice You are dumber then I thought.
“A mind is like a parachute. It doesn’t work if it is not open.” – Frank Zappa
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Posted on: 01/23/2021 10:30 PM
Sorry, Chris, I didn't see your question. The answer is "no".
If you really believe I sent your check to Venice, you are as dumb as I thought! Just kidding you about both. Ventura, right?
Edited by King_of_Glass on 01/23/2021 10:31 PM
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Posted on: 01/25/2021 11:11 AM
Just fyi, no court has actually held a trial to allow the two sides to present their evidence. Some cases are still active, though the point is probably moot now, while the majority were dismissed on standing or some other legal technicality without the court ever hearing the evidence.
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Posted on: 01/25/2021 11:45 AM
When you don't show up with evidence, the judge won't hear the case, when you don't have legal standing to bring suit, the judge won't hear the case. The DOJ and everyone else connected to the case says there was no massive fraud, and no one has found anything- and NOT for lack of looking. There IS no case. Accept the results and move on.
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Posted on: 01/25/2021 01:23 PM
Mark - I really appreciate your posting today! Seeing it and seeing Robyn's posting of presidential election fraud denial (plus her totally outrageous and ludicrous accusation that I threatened to "shoot her" over some alleged song lyric) has prompted me to do the following just moments ago.
Chris, you need to know the following: voter fraud in this past election will be proven. Any bet is based on there being no cheating; however, that is exactly what your candidate Joe Biden did. As I have said here numerous times, it will be proven as per the prophecy ministers, and Trump will be back as president likely around March or April. Because you "won" on fraudulent terms, the $600 check that I sent to you on Friday has just had a "stop payment" placed on it. So, don't even attempt to cash it now. As I said, Mark's message and Robyn's response to it plus her outlandish allegation of me from years ago has prompted me to contact my bank just moments ago. I know you think because Biden entered the White House on January 21 that you won the bet. He did it by fraud. Thus, your "victory" is null and void just like Biden's "victory" will be null and void. When I sent you the check, it was sent with no intention of me ever having to cancel it. But, as I have said, the recent activities on this site have prompted me to do just that. After all, it will cost me $30 as a service charge by my bank. Better that than to lose $600 in a bet where the outcome will be proven to be fraudulent. Again, you can't win a bet if cheating has been involved!
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Posted on: 01/25/2021 02:25 PM
Then give us the details, Robyn! I know you can't because it NEVER happened. You didn't even get the situation right. As I said, it was about a trivia question that you thought the answer was "Holiday". If you can't even give us what song or even what artist it involved then that should prove to you that you're sorely mistaken! I surely hope you merely thought that happened and not that you would make up such a sad and false allegation just to disparage me here. I'll give the benefit of the doubt that it was the former because if it's the latter that's very, very sick! .
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Posted on: 01/25/2021 02:37 PM
you emailed me It was a long time ago. you were so upgeshook you took to sending me nasty-grams. You are a sad little man. You threatened me, but frankly your character is such that I was not afraid of you coming all the way to my home. You did it and you can deny it. But it speaks to why we are not friends.
and you are starting again here. This is a fan site. We should be talking about music and Gerry's new release and the hope of new shows, not your sadly clinging to a belief that the election will be overturned. Move on. From everything
Hey guys have you heard Gerry's new stuff? I like it and the tribute stuff being done by Blue Elan labelmates? COOL!
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Posted on: 01/25/2021 03:01 PM
Just as I said, NO DETAILS provided such as who the artist was nor the song! Absolutely NONE! When there's no details, it helps prove no such incident occurred except in your own mind. This is so much like Blasey Ford accusing Kavanaugh of attempted rape. She made the allegation, but she couldn't provide any details.
Yeah, the cows did come home and discovered what was waiting for them which was a huge pile of bull$hit!
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Posted on: 01/25/2021 03:14 PM
Sounds just like your accusations about President Biden, and the basis you are weaseling out of your bets. If you want to claim there was cheating to get out of your bet, you have to prove it. Show me YOUR evidence Johnny... I'll wait.
“A mind is like a parachute. It doesn’t work if it is not open.” – Frank Zappa
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Posted on: 01/25/2021 03:21 PM
There is plenty of evidence on the internet. All you have to do is sincerely search it. Plus, it will be proven in the next several months because God is no going to allow a corrupt and evil man such as Joe Biden to be president for any longer than the time needed to toss his cheating ass into prison for treason. Let's hope he gets what he truly deserves which is death by firing squad or by hanging.
Edited by King_of_Glass on 01/25/2021 03:22 PM
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Posted on: 01/25/2021 03:22 PM
What does "alligator lizards in the air" mean Johnny Oh yes it is tire pieces flying in in the air. You denied the existence of Alligator lizards, something that lives here in California and you were so incensed that I would QUESTION you publicly and show pictures of said lizards that you ranted at me on my personal email for DAYS before finally saying you were going to come to my house with a gun. SPECIFIC enough for you. I was still living in my house so this had to be around 2002 or 2003. Specific enough? I no longer use that email so the copy of what you said is long gone, but you did it.
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Posted on: 01/25/2021 03:47 PM
I have access to the internet, Robyn. All I would have to do is google "alligator lizards" if I thought they didn't exist. The same with green monkeys which I didn't know existed but found out they do thanks to Google. Are you going to falsely accuse me of threatening to shoot you over them as well? Your pathetic accusation that I was so enraged about alligator lizards is absolutely comical.
Concerning your mention of why I don't talk about America here instead, I have been posting here way after you left. You only returned to post on this website because this thread pertained to the presidential election. I post to this site quite often especially on the thread about sharing interesting musical videos. I see you never have. Why is it that you've only returned to post on this thread and never to the one about music videos. Perhaps you should live by your own advice instead to trying to give to someone else.
Robyn, you are one sad lady for making such a ridiculous allegation. I so hope to be done with you here unless I'm forced to defend myself against your insane accusations.
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Posted on: 01/25/2021 03:57 PM
Johnny, what is on the internet is not evidence. Perhaps you don't understand what that means? Trump's own appointed loyalist, "Barr" said there is no evidence. But small minds will cling to the thinnest conspiracy theory if it is what they want to believe, regardless of the facts and actual evidence. Little Brains...
“A mind is like a parachute. It doesn’t work if it is not open.” – Frank Zappa
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Posted on: 01/25/2021 04:00 PM
whatever. Johnny You are a sad little man. You asked me for more details and when I provided them you did what people with your mindset always do. You tried to wave them away.
Ah well little man. I hope you hold to your promise to leave this site when you lose THAT bet. But you won't Just like the last time.
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Posted on: 01/25/2021 05:04 PM
ANOTHER FALSEHOOD!!! I never promised to leave this site for any reason. I understand it now! You get things so utterly mixed up in your mind. You believe things that simply aren't so! You just proved it to everyone here as you can't find any such statement made by me about promising to leave! And, please don't tell us that I said that to you in a private email message because that, too, never happened. Mystery solved! Another case of overactive imagination that of Robyn Meyers!
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Posted on: 01/25/2021 06:31 PM
Wrong, Chris! That statement you quoted was me talking to Kevin. I was merely restating under his terms that's what HE would have to do if HE lost the bet and if I had accepted the terms which I didn't. My proof is my quote below. You need to follow the sequence of the conversation correctly. You clearly have the same problem Robyn does!
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Posted on: 01/25/2021 07:06 PM
Me thinks ( the poster) doeth protest too much. Seriously Johnny. You did it You did. Own up to being over the top on this and move on. You threatened me You did and no amount of denial or misogynistic ranting about me will change the fact. You did it. and you misspelled my last name, IF you were referring to me.
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Posted on: 01/25/2021 08:01 PM
I feel the same way. PAY UP JOHNNY you lost your first bet with me. We agreed "Who would live in or be moving into the White House on January 21st". I said Joe Biden, Your said Donald Trump. This bet was for $600. Pay up. PAY ME, PAY ME, PAY ME, PAY ME!
“A mind is like a parachute. It doesn’t work if it is not open.” – Frank Zappa
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Posted on: 01/25/2021 09:06 PM
Oh please keep this up guys, it’s cold and crappy outside and the entertainment gets a little thin these days. Sybil, you’re keeping me in stitches! The best show in town!DanC
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Posted on: 01/26/2021 12:49 AM
I know that I said I would not comment here again but temptation got the better of me, sinner that I am.
I note with delight that Dominion is suing Giuliani for defamation. I hope he has deep pockets because it is for a tremendously huge amount of money, much more than any individual has been sued for before, ever, in the history of the universe.
And the Dominion CEO says they will be going after ANYONE who defamed, or continues to defame them.
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Posted on: 01/26/2021 01:26 PM
I found some old postings from SteveL's Chat Folder where we discussed the topic of alligator lizards. They prove the allegation against me by Robyn is totally false and is all a made up fantasy in her head. It was a pleasant discussion. It simply moved on to the topic of "Hey Jude". It's proof positive in my mind that Robyn has made a totally false accusation against me. I have absolutely no idea where the hell she came up with that bizarre idea. Clearly to me, it was just a desperate attempt to do what alligator lizards are said to do when they're caught!
Message: 7044 Posted: Sat Jun 12 16:01:46 1999 By: Johnny
Subject: Alligator Lizards
I never really understood why or what alligator lizards are as written by Dewey in "Ventura Highway". However, while watching a nature program on TV the other night, they were talking about, guess what? Yes, alligator lizards as found in the State of Washington. They showed one of the creepy little critters. So, I learned that such things as alligator lizards really do exist! Why they're in the air in "VH", I still don't fully understand. Yes, something about cloud formations or pieces of blown tires on the highway. I guess...if Dewey says so. "Ventura Highway" like "Sister Golden Hair" is one of my favorites. No doubt, they're both great, great songs!
Message: 7045 Posted: Sat Jun 12 16:09:44 1999 By: John Lussier
Subject: Re: Alligator Lizards
I remember hearing about one of those strange but true natural phenomema where at a certain time in the year a species of frogs, I think, would be carried on the wind during a stage in their lives , and would appear to be flying. I always wondered if this was what Dewey was referring to. Or I guess cloud formations, as you mentioned.
Message: 7046 Posted: Sat Jun 12 16:39:43 1999 By: Johnny
Subject: Re: Species of Frog
That's a very interesting tidbit of information, John. Talking about frogs, I wonder where that controversial yet interested guy, Frog, is these days? I say "guy" but Frog could be a gal...one tough gal.
Message: 7047 Posted: Sat Jun 12 17:08:13 1999 By: Johnny
Subject: Info On Alligator Lizards
With nothing else to do, I just surfed the net for information on alligator lizards. I found much more information on the little critters than I really intended to. I thought this bit of info was very interesting, however. I think this probably falls into the category of "too much information" and/or "Johnny has too much time on his hands". Here it is: "When caught they may bite ferociously and attempt to smear their captor with feces." I better leave now. I'm gonna go listen to "Homecoming".
Message: 7055 Posted: Mon Jun 14 10:30:50 1999 By: Robyn
Subject: Re: Info On Alligator Lizards
LOL Johnny. I said, the last time we discussed Aligator lizards, that I always thought Dewey meant the scent of aligator lizards. I grew up where there were a lot of these little buggers and as a kid, I used to catch them... Peculiar scent, if you know what I mean!
Message: 7057 Posted: Mon Jun 14 13:45:00 1999 By: KevinS.
Subject: Alligator Lizards.
I always thought Dewey didn't mean anything at all with "Alligator lizards in the air." I figured it simply fit the number of syllables he needed for that line in the lyric and it rhymed with "hair" and "dispair." It's like the story Paul McCartney tells about Hey Jude. He wrote the line, "the movement you need is on your shoulders" as a placeholder until he thought of something better. When he played it for John Lennon he said he was going to change that line because it made no sense. And Lennon said, that's exactly why you should leave it in there. And he did. And it was great. And there are aligator lizards in the air.
Message: 7058 Posted: Mon Jun 14 13:56:52 1999 By: Robyn
Subject: Re: Alligator Lizards.
Maybe so Kevin, but it's more fun to try to fit a theory about what he actually meant than just counting syllables.
Message: 7059 Posted: Mon Jun 14 14:42:10 1999 By: Johnny
Subject: "Hey Jude" Triv Question
Kevin or anyone else: Who and what is "Hey Jude" about? Regarding the "Hey Jude" lyrics, right! I heard the same thing.
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Posted on: 01/26/2021 01:52 PM
believe what ever is in your head, but since you are given to an easy belief that fantasies- like the public murder of politicians who disagree with your Weltanschauung for instance-are reality and whatever YOU say is the truth you can keep denying what you said to me in PRIVATE years ago. It's not ON Steve's folder. At least back then, you were savvy enough to realize what might happen if you posted a public threat. I have moved on from you impotent threat.
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Posted on: 01/26/2021 02:22 PM
and regarding your insistence that I have created a fantasy regarding you- don't flatter yourself, sweetie. Once I decided we were no longer able to have civil conversations, I gave you no more thought until you contacted me via Facebook to press your crackpot Q- Anon fantasies on me and everyone in my circle of friends. Blocking you was the best thing I could do to avoid future annoyance and yet, here we are, talking on what SHOULD be a fan site about things that should not BE on a fan site. I suppose you figured you could recruit for your cult here as well. America fans are too smart to fall for that malarkey .
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Posted on: 01/26/2021 03:04 PM
Johnny,
The man who sets a trap for others will get caught in it himself. Roll a boulder down on someone, and it will roll back and crush you. --Proverbs 26:27
It looks like God was trying to tell you how all this goading, and betting would turn out.
BTW one of my favorite America songs is "Chasing the Rainbow"
“A mind is like a parachute. It doesn’t work if it is not open.” – Frank Zappa
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Posted on: 01/26/2021 03:35 PM
Anyone who read the past postings can clearly see for themselves that I never "denied the existence of alligator lizards" nor that I was "so incensed that I would QUESTION you publicly and show pictures of said lizards that you ranted at me on my personal email for DAYS before finally saying you were going to come to my house with a gun".
There was no ranting by me nor did I deny the existence of alligator lizards. Quite to the contrary! I said in one of my past postings I presented here, "So, I learned that such things as alligator lizards really do exist!"
You're busted in a blatant lie against me! Not just a small lie but one so huge as to say I threatened to come to your home to "shoot you". You may wish to continue in whatever lies about me you may wish, Robyn, but I presented the facts, and they're not in your favor. If you can lie about this, what else are you capable of lying about?
Edited by King_of_Glass on 01/26/2021 03:36 PM
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Posted on: 01/26/2021 04:28 PM
Wondering if Johnny will pay any of the many bets he made about the election now that he has lost or is losing all of them. What will this put you Johnny, like $12,000 in debt?
BTW our first bet is over, pay up welcher.
“A mind is like a parachute. It doesn’t work if it is not open.” – Frank Zappa
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Posted on: 01/26/2021 05:19 PM
I hope this to be my last message to you.
Get this in your head:
Your candidate "won" by committing fraud. Thus, it disqualifies your "win". You can not win a bet if it's based on cheating. I've explained that to you already! Biden will be removed from office in about 2 to 3 months as undisputed election fraud will be presented, and Trump will be returning.
The military doesn't even recognize Biden as president! Biden is president of a defunct America under an old corporation that Trump cancelled when he was in office. America is now under a new republic which the military is currently in charge of until Trump is made president again as I said likely in March or April.
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Posted on: 01/26/2021 05:36 PM
Saying something over and over doesn't make it any more true. There has been no election altering fraud, un less you count Trump trying to change the legal votes. I would go as far as to agree to give you back the winnings if Joe Biden goes to prison anytime in his first year, even though that was not our bet. No evidence has been presented in court. The military does recognize Biden as President. Click here for proof That is one of your many INSANE conspiracy theory claims. You OWE me $600. Don't be a welcher. Pay your debts Johnny.
“A mind is like a parachute. It doesn’t work if it is not open.” – Frank Zappa
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Posted on: 01/28/2021 05:15 PM
Wed 7:40 PM
Johnny sent Yesterday at 7:40 PM
Jajuba - Here's my deal with you: if Biden is still in the office as president on Dec 31, 2021, I'll pay you. If he's removed any time during the year of 2021, the deal is off. I believe he will be removed and will be going to prison perhaps by March or April. Sorry, but I have blocked you here on FB. I have not read any of your messages. Plus, the deal is strictly between you and me. If you make our deal public, it's null and void. I'm placing you back on "blocked" status!
Well Johnny, since you already lost our first bet (How is President on January 21st), and now refuse to pay, Why on earth would I accept another bet from you? You have lied, cheated, welched, and sinned.
If anyone needs Johnny's contact info to collect on his lost bets, let me know.
BTW, just to keep something America related. I have only seen them live about 12 times. One of which I proposed to my wife about 12 years ago.
“A mind is like a parachute. It doesn’t work if it is not open.” – Frank Zappa
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Posted on: 01/28/2021 09:38 PM
Jajuba, this behaviour from KoG is so dishonest. I wonder why he started the topic in the first place. Seems he had no intention of honouring his bets. I originally engaged with him because I thought there could be a real discussion but the QAnon stuff just kept getting more and more outrageous.
And...I first saw America in July 1976 in Sydney. Rushed the stage when Gerry began singing SGH 😊
I rarely look at this site and unfortunately came across KoG's post on one of those rare visits. These days I follow the band on Instagram.
Good luck in your dealings with KoG. Maybe he should change his name to Jaw_of_Glass.
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Posted on: 01/28/2021 10:08 PM
GirlFromOz,
I am pretty new here, I think I joined a week or so ago. My waife has been on here for years. Trust me when she said Johnny threatened her, she isn't making it up. Johnny is the lucky one here, If I where married then, Johnny would really need to hide. Other than that, I'm just the calmest, friendliest musician you might meet. (if you were in Los Angeles).
In any case, Nice to meet you. You're welcome to Friend Me on Facebook if you use that platform.
“A mind is like a parachute. It doesn’t work if it is not open.” – Frank Zappa
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Posted on: 01/28/2021 10:27 PM
Jajuba, I am on Facebook but also rarely visit it because it is full of ads and pictures of food. Thanks for the friend invitation. I'll think about it. As long as KoG can't track me down...
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Posted on: 02/04/2021 08:20 PM
KoG, I should have added this to my post 😂😂😂😂
Perhaps that would have helped you understand it was a joke (that you would track me down). It is clear to me that you do not ‘get’ my sense of humour.
I am sure you don’t have the interest or time to investigate the identity of some anonymous poster on a blog. Who does?? In case you are inclined, here’s a recent image of me that might help - 😈
Based on past experience, I decided not to click on the link you attached, so remain ignorant of its contents.
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Posted on: 02/04/2021 09:23 PM
Sorry about that, Jude. As you know, it's hard to tell exactly what the tone is of the person posting when merely stated as words in print. I just thought you were serious perhaps because of some nut accusing me of threatening to shoot her in an alleged private message. I haven't decided whether to spend the time to point out her allegation as being totally laughable merely based on the postings I found and posted here from many years ago. I sure you could care less. Perhaps, I should as well, but that's just not my nature.
Concerning your recent image, I must apologize. I didn't give you as much credit as I should have regarding your attractiveness!
About enjoying the Biden years as you mentioned, it brought to mind one of my favorite songs by one of my favorite country artists. Just think of it as Trump singing it to Biden and "she" being the presidency. After all, the prophecy ministers are simply relaying God's message that Trump will be president again very soon.
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Posted on: 02/04/2021 10:15 PM
since you have a slippery relationship with the truth and quote Q- anon conspiracies as the New Gospel, I won't take offense at your calling me a "nut"
You did it, I remember it and that is that. You won't let it go. When a woman is annoyed by a man, she ignores him and cuts him out of her life. When it is reversed, the man stalks the woman.
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Posted on: 02/04/2021 10:16 PM
The for Profit ministers have gotten it wrong since before the election. What happened when you said January 18th would change everything and Trump would be inaugurated on the 20th? The only nut job around here is you Johnny.
“A mind is like a parachute. It doesn’t work if it is not open.” – Frank Zappa
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Posted on: 02/04/2021 10:49 PM
Oh, thank you people, I was hoping the show wasn’t over yet! The popcorn is still fresh, I’m glad it won’t go to waste. Please, keep up the entertainment.DanC
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Posted on: 02/05/2021 05:25 PM
"Jajuba: sent January 16 at 11:33 AM
so $600 Jan 21st and $600 March 20th?
Johnny: Are you sure you are able to afford betting $1200 in total if you should lose?
Jajuba: sent January 16 at 12:07 PM
only if I lose both and they are 2 months apart, so yes.
Johnny: sent January 16 at 12:07 PM
Okay, I accept the doubling of the bet!
Jajuba: sent January 16 at 12:08 PM
ok. I'll expect the first $600 on the 21st.
Jajuba: sent January 21 at 9:43 AM
I am expecting you to honor our bet.
Johnny: sent January 21 at 9:48 AM
Biden is going to be removed soon. Just be patient.
Jajuba: sent January 21 at 10:01 AM
Our bet is who lives in the white house today
Jan 21, 2021
Jajuba: sent January 21 at 11:13 AM
Don't be a welcher Johnny, our bet specifically said who lives in the White House on January 21st.
Johnny: sent January 21 at 11:55 AM
Are we so sure he was truly allowed to go in? I understand the military may not have let him and they will be removing him from power due to be a fraud. Just be patient and we'll see what occurs in the next day or two or three.
---------------------------------------------------------
It has been more than a few days. Biden is still the president. You lost the first bet, and on March 20th you will also lose the second bet. You already owe my $600, and another on March 20th.
Pay up Johnny
“A mind is like a parachute. It doesn’t work if it is not open.” – Frank Zappa
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Posted on: 02/05/2021 05:41 PM
I was reluctant to jump into this but what the heck. C'mon Johnny, its pretty clear that you have welched on this bet. Do the honorable thing and pay up. Biden is President, Trump isn't. Those facts are indisputable. Paying your debts might improve your standing with the long time members here. Otherwise, do us all a favor and leave the forum.
SteveO
"You are one more posse to pass in the night, one more card to conceal..."
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Posted on: 02/05/2021 05:52 PM
Thanks Steve,
I would have absolutely paid up if I lost. I had a lengthy conversation with Johnny about only betting as much as I could afford to lose. Then after he loses he want's to change the terms.
“A mind is like a parachute. It doesn’t work if it is not open.” – Frank Zappa
Posts: 545
From: Iron Mountain-Kingsford, in Michigan's U.P.!
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Posted on: 02/05/2021 05:55 PM
I think Kevin had a bet going too--I'm not gonna go back and re-read all of this. But c'mon, fair is fair. Johnny's had a bad name on this site for years, and this just continues his low approval with the long time members. Again, do the honorable thing Johnny, or remove yourself from this forum....
SteveO
"You are one more posse to pass in the night, one more card to conceal..."
Re: OT: Very Touchy Subject...The Election Results Thus Far
Posted on: 02/05/2021 06:10 PM
In spite of what you all think, the election is not over. Biden gained the Office of the President by fraud. If you each can't see that it's your problem. Biden will be ousted in due time. A person can't win a bet if fraud is involved. I told Chris I would pay him if Biden was still president by the end of the year just as he said he would accept. I told him the deal was strictly between him and me and if he made it public, it was null and void. He posted it here. Thus, he chose to void it. It's done!
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Re: OT: Very Touchy Subject...The Election Results Thus Far
Posted on: 02/05/2021 06:18 PM
To put it in football terminology, Johnny has continued to "move the goalposts" for several of you here that were betting with him. But should you really expect anything different here?
SteveO
"You are one more posse to pass in the night, one more card to conceal..."
Re: OT: Very Touchy Subject...The Election Results Thus Far
Posted on: 02/05/2021 06:40 PM
All after you had already lost the bet, and I only agreed to "return" the money if Biden was removed and Trump was president again. not posting the bet here was also after you had already lost the bet Johnny. You are a fake, a fraud, a welcher, and a true piece of garbage.
“A mind is like a parachute. It doesn’t work if it is not open.” – Frank Zappa
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From: Iron Mountain-Kingsford, in Michigan's U.P.!
Re: OT: Very Touchy Subject...The Election Results Thus Far
Posted on: 02/05/2021 07:13 PM
I'll always have a soft spot for this page--the "original" America chat folder. I think we all know that most of the "action" is on the Facebook pages now, but some of the members here don't do Facebook, so I only see them here. These "off-topic" posts don't usually interest me as I mainly prefer America-related topics. But if you're gonna throw a topic out there, you're fair game for criticism and reaction. That's the nature of social media. I hope those of you that are due money from Johnny will get it...but I think you know you won't...
SteveO
"You are one more posse to pass in the night, one more card to conceal..."
Re: OT: Very Touchy Subject...The Election Results Thus Far
Posted on: 02/05/2021 10:13 PM
By "tried to work with you" you must mean weasel out of our bet after you lost.
Isn't that something? I've never in my life heard of changing the terms of a bet after you lost the bet. What a load of crap Johnny, the most untrustworthy, lying, welching, piece of crap on the internet. It is funny that you mailed me a check, and then put a stop payment on it before I received it. I assume your (for profit) ministers must have told you that Biden "cheated" so you thought you could use that to get out of your bets. I assume you are using the same scam for your $10,000 bet, and your $1,000 bet with you old co-worker, and your $1,000 bet with Drew?
“A mind is like a parachute. It doesn’t work if it is not open.” – Frank Zappa
Re: OT: Very Touchy Subject...The Election Results Thus Far
Posted on: 02/05/2021 10:18 PM
Steve O - you are right. This USED to be a fun place to discuss our favorite band. I have known some of you since the mid 90's and I cherish MOST of our friendships. Y'all have opened my eyes to new bands, we talked about Concerts and new music from America, stood by each other in hard times and even at a distance MOST of us are friends, or at least civil to one another. Johnny began to strike me as someone who wanted attention, maybe from the band? who knows. When he couldn't get GOOD attention, he went after BAD attention. He's doing it now. and getting it in barrels. I hope it scratches whatever itch he has, I hope to have other discussions with the rest of you about America the band. I am looking forward to Gerry's new solo release on Blue Elan records. In one of my moves, some of my cds went "somewhere" and it will be nice to have those tunes again
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From: Iron Mountain-Kingsford, in Michigan's U.P.!
Re: OT: Very Touchy Subject...The Election Results Thus Far
Posted on: 02/05/2021 11:12 PM
I've been part of this board since the mid-90's too. In recent years I've been fairly inactive, but would still post from time to time. Met some cool people, and some not-so-cool people. Just the nature of social media I guess. Politics is a hot-bed subject and guaranteed to cause friction between people. I generally stay away from this "off-topic" stuff and would prefer to focus mainly on the band. I'm basically as active as I choose to be. Maybe some of this "off topic" stuff should be discontinued or saved for peoples private emails or something. And there are plenty of Facebook groups where people can discuss their favorite bands and songs....
SteveO
"You are one more posse to pass in the night, one more card to conceal..."
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Re: OT: Very Touchy Subject...The Election Results Thus Far
Posted on: 02/05/2021 11:19 PM
I think its pretty clear that the "court of public opinion" here has rendered its verdict. I didn't vote for Biden, but he's the President and Trump isn't. Those are the facts. Johnny, the spin you're putting on all of this is way over the top at this point. As i said earlier, you need to do the honorable thing and honor all of the bets you made and stop moving the goalposts. Otherwise, I'm sure I speak for alot of us when i say its time for you to leave this site. In fact didn't Kevin Sutton suggest that recently?
SteveO
"You are one more posse to pass in the night, one more card to conceal..."
Re: OT: Very Touchy Subject...The Election Results Thus Far
Posted on: 02/05/2021 11:57 PM
I couldn't care less what you think, Steve, nor what your other friends here think as well. You guys have been opposed to me for many years, and it's like water off a duck's back for me. I'm not in the least bit affected by any of your opinions.
If you think Biden won fair and squarely, you're just as ignorant as those here who voted for him. I will credit you for at least having the sense not to vote for someone who wants to degrade America into a second class country just so we will have to fall under the New World Order. Biden will not succeed. God will not permit him to. He will be removed, and Trump will resume his rightful place as the president.
I've said it over and over. A person can't win a bet when fraud is involved no matter how much they want to deny that it happened. The truth has come out and it's just whether anyone wants to believe it. God will not permit our country to be led at this time in history by an evil and fraudulent person claiming to have rightfully won the election when it could not be any further from the truth!
Re: OT: Very Touchy Subject...The Election Results Thus Far
Posted on: 02/18/2021 06:55 PM
Here ya go Johnny, I know how you love these Prophecy Ministers...
Jeremiah Johnson, a charismatic Christian prophet, admitted after the 2020 election that his own prediction of Trump's victory was wrong, and he's urging his fellow prophets to be humble and admit errors.
"I believe that this election cycle has revealed how desperately we need reformation in the prophetic movement," Johnson said in a February 8 video. "I have serious concerns for the charismatic-prophetic world that if we do not wake up, if we do not humble ourselves, there is greater judgment to come."
Michael Brown, another longtime charismatic revivalist, similarly told Politico that it's time for his movement to cool it on Trump-related prophecies.
"As a full-blooded charismatic, I'll say we've earned the world's mockery for our foolishness," he said.
$1,200
“A mind is like a parachute. It doesn’t work if it is not open.” – Frank Zappa
Re: OT: Very Touchy Subject...The Election Results Thus Far
Posted on: 02/28/2021 05:46 PM
for what it's worth. my experience as a member of various message boards over the years has provided me with the ability 2 easily surf through threads/authors whose content i may not align with or have/had no interest in reading.
i can't say that i've ever asked an individual 2 leave a particular message board or put a stop 2 further posts. i feel everyone has the ability 2 edit content available 2 him/her rather easily.
king_of_glass. what you know about the recent presidential election is not based on fact. and i don't see waving donald trump pom-poms among these forums as a real winner for you.
Edited by Hurricane on 02/28/2021 05:49 PM
Re: OT: Very Touchy Subject...The Election Results Thus Far
Posted on: 03/01/2021 10:34 AM
Sad that the most active thread on the America Fans message board really has nothing to do with the band America. If we all stop posting to this thread, it will slowly sink to the bottom and we can get back to discussing America the band.
Re: OT: Very Touchy Subject...The Election Results Thus Far
Posted on: 03/07/2021 01:19 AM
There's a reason not one single court has allowed the evidence to be heard. For the same reason not one single court has allowed my dog's lawsuit against me for not allowing him to drive to be heard. Because they are ridiculous and there is no legal basis for it. That's how courts work. Dumbasses can say all they want in public about anything but the reason no court will allow evidence to be heard is because there is no merit to the lawsuits. Which means, they looked at the lawsuits and said, nah, this is bull*bleep*. Where are your lawsuits against the Jewish space laser owners? Where are your lawsuits against the pizza parlor that is harboring the cabal of baby eaters and pedophiles? Look, you can make up all the crazy *bleep* you want to make up. But the court is the one place where facts are actually required.
Edited by MyUserNameIsKevin on 03/07/2021 11:42 AM
Re: OT: Very Touchy Subject...The Election Results Thus Far
Posted on: 03/09/2021 10:48 AM
Wrong. The problem is that there are too many gutless judges that look for the easy way out when it comes to tough cases and look for any excuse to dismiss the case on a technicality. There was plenty of evidence of voting "improprieties" in the last election, including state executives changing the rules without legislative authority to do so.
This should not be a partisan issue, because 4 years ago it was Democrats who were claiming the election was stolen. There is far more evidence of problems this last election than there was 4 years ago, for which a special prosecutor was appointed.
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