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bluey
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Raw, Vibrant and A Little Intense..
Posted on: 02/08/2018 06:51 AM

Turning on my iPod for my early morning walk through the forest with my 13 old year Jack Russell and this song explodes in my ear...what a great start to the day. The studio track is great but for just pure musical magic, it can't complete with this Muslikaden performance. To my knowledge a CD has never been produced from this performance. Pity.




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Re: Raw, Vibrant and A Little Intense..
Posted on: 02/08/2018 06:10 PM

I fully agree: No studio tracks compare to these performances. To me, this captures the essence of who America is. Here they completely own what they create & how they perform. I believe there are so-called unofficial releases of the Musikladen Sessions (though the CD inserts may not fully acknowledge / document the source) . . .
And someone told me too that it's true when you call aloud - It's only destiny or is it mystery (?)
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Re: Raw, Vibrant and A Little Intense..
Posted on: 02/11/2018 03:42 PM

yes... I agree too. I love Musikladen.... the little addition that Dewey does to the Tinman is great....Cal Revisted rocks...
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johnc
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Re: Raw, Vibrant and A Little Intense..
Posted on: 02/11/2018 08:54 PM

Actually, there was a CD from this show released in the ‘90s. You can still find it on ebay:

Horse With No Name
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Re: Raw, Vibrant and A Little Intense..
Posted on: 02/12/2018 10:19 AM

awesome - thank you for the heads up... ORDERED
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bluey
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Re: Raw, Vibrant and A Little Intense..
Posted on: 02/12/2018 04:51 PM

johnc Actually, there was a CD from this show released in the ‘90s. You can still find it on ebay:

Horse With No Name


Thanks John, I had seen the Album/CD posted on Steve's site but looking at the album cover, I thought it was just a later "live" performance. I tried iTunes but they haven't got it so I'll buy it off ebay.

Here's my favourite track from that session. Raw, vibrant and, from the band's demeanour, a little intense. But then again apparently it was an "Off Day" for all concerned - the band and production personnel.




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Re: Raw, Vibrant and A Little Intense..
Posted on: 02/12/2018 09:59 PM

The Horse With No Name CD from 1995 was the first official release on CD of a live performance by the original trio. I remember wondering whether to get the Musikladen DVD when it came out a few years later, but I’m glad I got both. Nobody uses video CDs like the one sold with the Horse With No Name CD, and few ever did.

If I recall correctly, the Horse With No Name CD came out right about the time the Musikladen concert was rediscovered and aired on VH1. I think that “Rainbow Song” is the highlight of the album, with its moody, keyboard-dominated jam.

Hope you can get yours hands on copies of the CD!
Edited by johnc on 02/12/2018 10:02 PM
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Steve_Orchard
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Re: Raw, Vibrant and A Little Intense..
Posted on: 02/13/2018 01:55 PM

I also have the 2 disc set here--this discussion just prompted me to break mine out and listen again--been quite some time, so thanks all for the heads up!

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Re: Raw, Vibrant and A Little Intense..
Posted on: 02/13/2018 09:52 PM

Face it, Steve. We’re always looking for an excuse to pull out our America albums and give ‘em one more spin. Just talking to you makes me want to hear “Amber Cascades” again!
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Steve_Orchard
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Re: Raw, Vibrant and A Little Intense..
Posted on: 02/14/2018 09:01 AM

Yeah John, its fun and interesting to see what jars our minds on a regular basis. I have a wealth of music to listen to and not just the music of America. The "Horse With No Name" CD of which we've been discussing is the first time in years that I've played it. As for
"Amber Cascades"--that's another one I rarely tire of! And by the way, I have tickets to see the guys at a show here in the "U.P." in April, so I'm looking forward to that!

SteveO
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Edited by Steve_Orchard on 02/14/2018 09:02 AM
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Re: Raw, Vibrant and A Little Intense..
Posted on: 02/14/2018 11:15 PM

That’s the great thing about music, the more you enjoy the new stuff, the more you enjoy the old stuff. Lately, I’ve been listening to artists ranging from Beach House and Siouxise & The Banshees to the Pointer Sisters and MFSB. And yet America never loses its appeal!

Enjoy the show up there. Since I’ve moved to Texas, I’ve learned America doesn’t come this way often.
Edited by johnc on 02/14/2018 11:17 PM
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Re: Raw, Vibrant and A Little Intense..
Posted on: 02/15/2018 07:56 AM

johnc
Since I’ve moved to Texas, I’ve learned America doesn’t come this way often.


John - Curious to know, what city in Texas?

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Re: Raw, Vibrant and A Little Intense..
Posted on: 02/15/2018 04:29 PM

johnc Since I’ve moved to Texas, I’ve learned America doesn’t come this way often.


John, one of my all-time favourite artists lives and sings about Texas -



I have Lyle Lovett's Sound Stage "Live In Concert" DVD from which the above video was taken from. His "Lyle Lovett Live In Texas" and "Anthology" CDs are excellent.


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Re: Raw, Vibrant and A Little Intense..
Posted on: 02/15/2018 09:22 PM

King_of_Glass
Since I’ve moved to Texas, I’ve learned America doesn’t come this way often.


John - Curious to know, what city in Texas?


Flower Mound, near Dallas.
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johnc
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Re: Raw, Vibrant and A Little Intense..
Posted on: 02/15/2018 09:25 PM

bluey Since I’ve moved to Texas, I’ve learned America doesn’t come this way often.


John, one of my all-time favourite artists lives and sings about Texas -



I have Lyle Lovett's Sound Stage "Live In Concert" DVD from which the above video was taken from. His "Lyle Lovett Live In Texas" and "Anthology" CDs are excellent.


Bluey.


I’ll have to explore Lyle Lovett! My wife, who is originally from Texas, loves Willis Alan Ramsey of “Muskrat Candlelight” fame. She loves his “Northeast Texas Women” song.
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Re: Raw, Vibrant and A Little Intense..
Posted on: 02/16/2018 12:12 AM

johnc
Flower Mound, near Dallas.


Yes, Flower Mound, somewhat between Dallas and Denton. My sister attended college in Denton and lives in Dallas.

Regarding Willis Alan Ramsey and his "Northeast Texas Women" song, many years ago, I attended a concert with Ramsey as the opening act for Hall and Oates (which was a very odd pairing, imo) where he sang "NTW."

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Re: Raw, Vibrant and A Little Intense..
Posted on: 02/16/2018 02:48 PM

Hey SteveO, been awhile, still kickin’ on this end. Enjoy the show in April and please give us your take on the show plus maybe a listing of any new additions to the set list .DanC
"What we have here is....failure to communicate"

Edited by DannyC on 02/16/2018 02:50 PM
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Re: Raw, Vibrant and A Little Intense..
Posted on: 02/18/2018 09:22 PM

Hey Dan C, will do on the concert info. Its been quite a few years since I've seen the guys; in fact, it'll be at the same venue I saw them at last time. Will be sure to note the track listing too, and I'll get you a pic if there's a meet-and-greet....

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Re: Raw, Vibrant and A Little Intense..
Posted on: 02/19/2018 03:37 PM

I don't understand why Gerry's "I Need You" is his only solo on the DVD/CD?

The start of the this video sort of represents what I was saying about the confusion of "what to do next?" by both the band and production personnel.




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Re: Raw, Vibrant and A Little Intense..
Posted on: 02/22/2018 12:30 PM

bluey I
The start of the this video sort of represents what I was saying about the confusion of "what to do next?" by both the band and production personnel.




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Maybe the band was given instructions in German that they didn’t understand.

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Re: Raw, Vibrant and A Little Intense..
Posted on: 02/23/2018 04:40 PM

G'Day John, yes it must have been daunting for them. No audience. Obviously no George Martin or set plan, I smiled when Gerry, forever the perfectionist, said "we wanna redo that song".
I assume he means "Ventura Highway".

I remember reading somewhere that they took a long time in the studios recording/producing their first three albums. Please correct me if I'm wrong but didn't George Martin tell them he would produce and arrange "Holiday" only if they recorded the album in England and take a lot less studio time doing it?

In 1981 I remember Glenn Shorrock, Little River Band, being interviewed about their latest album release "Time Exposure" which was produced by George Martin. He said that the band was given an absolute specific timeline to start and complete the recordings. They rehearsed, rehashed and had everything ready to go when they went into the studio. He said it was a very rewarding working with Martin and his production team, both on a professional and personal basis.


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Re: Raw, Vibrant and A Little Intense..
Posted on: 02/24/2018 01:21 AM

Bluey, you’re right about George Martin’s impact on America’s recording process. The first album was produced by Ian Samwell (and Jeff Dexter), but the trio self-produced the next two. When I interviewed Samwell back in 1998, he said the band was full of ideas and wanted to make their debut sound like Sgt. Pepper. Samwell advised them they couldn’t reproduce that sound on stage, and their raw, acoustic sound was great as it was. Boy was that good advice!

Homecoming was definitely more intricately produced than the first album, with synthesizers, and a more upfront rhythm section, but it still had a good deal of the emphasis on acoustic guitars and atmospheric harmonies. Hat Trick went even further into sonic experimentation, with strings, more keyboards, overlapping vocals, tap dancing, blowing bubbles, and Joe Walsh’s searing electric guitar. The band said it took months to record that album, because if the sound wasn’t just right, they’d re-record the track. They also said they were tired and worn out by the experience. I can see that. Hat Trick is certainly one of my favorite America albums, but it’s more for hardcore fans. The sonic playfulness came at the expense of crafting a hit track (no pun intended). Hat Trick was the only studio album prior to Harbor not to have a track break the Top 40.

I can understand why the trio wanted to avoid another Hat Trick experience. So they went with George Martin, who told them to focus on bringing fully-realized songs into the studio, and he could put the finishing touches on them. He taught them to mix takes so they didn’t have to record again when the winning elements were already on tape. Certainly it worked out well. “Tin Man” and “Lonely People” were big hits, and Holiday was a strong seller.

I don’t want to disparage Holiday. I love that album; it has rich textures and songs that get to the point without being overindulgent. This may have been what they wanted to record at the beginning before Ian Samwell talked them out if it.

But I also mourn a little bit the path not taken. What if America’s fourth album had been a return to the mystical chimes of “Clarice” rather than the rough cowbell in “In The Country”? What if they had a guitar jam like “Here” or “Moon Song” rather than the more Beatlesque “What Does It Matter”?

After Hat Trick, America’s music remained top notch, but it surrendered a moody, mystical quality in exchange for a more direct pop approach. For better or for worse, George Martin has his fingerprints all over that change in direction.
Edited by johnc on 02/24/2018 01:28 AM
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Steve_Orchard
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Re: Raw, Vibrant and A Little Intense..
Posted on: 02/24/2018 08:46 AM

Great thoughts and comments from you John, regarding the work on "Holiday." I still recommend fans check out your "comprehensive History" on this site because its very detailed and contains a wealth of information on virtually everything the guys did over the years, and that includes the solo stuff too.

SteveO
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Re: Raw, Vibrant and A Little Intense..
Posted on: 02/24/2018 07:03 PM

Thanks SteveO. I intend to update the Comprehensive History, but I have a strict one-revision-every-thirty-years policy. So I’m looking at the next update in about, oh, twelve years!
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